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<blockquote data-quote="Vraille Darkfang" data-source="post: 1524010" data-attributes="member: 16989">Yes, but I lose my first attack in a combat as I use a standrd action to begin the dancing.&nbsp; My first attack almost always hits and I do 1d6+10 +1d6 fire damage.&nbsp; I average around 20 points of damage with that first attack.&nbsp; The Dancing weapon then needs to make up for it over the next three rounds.&nbsp; But all it does is 1d6+2 damage at a much lower attack bonus.&nbsp; I lose the +5 hit/damage from strength, the +2 hit &amp; Damage from feats and the greater critical range.&nbsp; Against high AC opponents these attacks seldom hit, and the average amount of extra damage from those 3 rounds doesn't make up for that first lost attack.Basically, what I'm asking is why +4?&nbsp; I mean I just got a +6 WEAPON!&nbsp; My character should be doing the happy halfling dance.&nbsp; Not &quot;Really, +6 huh?&nbsp; I guess there are times I'll be able to use it.&quot;&nbsp; I'm not questioning that its a nice ability, just rather it's the equivalent to having a +2 Flaming Burst, Shocking Burst weapon.&nbsp; It seems to be overpriced, that's all.As for Speed only giving ONE extra attack.&nbsp; I have a 21 Str, Wpn Focus, Wpn Spec, Gtr Wpn Focus, Imp Crit.&nbsp; I have an extra +7 to hit &amp; +7 damge (14 on a crit 30% of the time).&nbsp; Over the long run, a Speed weapon (only a +3 mod), would allow me to consderably more damage than a Dancing weapon combined with my current weapon.As both a Player &amp; a DM, I think the d20 team did a good job with the rules, overall.&nbsp; I don't want to change anything into a house rule until I understand why they did what they did.&nbsp; I thinking of making Dancing a +2 mod.&nbsp; From everything I can see this is more balenced.&nbsp; I'd like the people on this list to show me the Dirty Tricks that can be done with Dancing, so I'm not walking blind into my own campaigns.As for the +1 Wounding Dancing Blade.&nbsp; Ain't that a +7 Sword?&nbsp; +1 Enchancement, +4 Dancing, +2 Wounding.&nbsp; For +7 I can come up with a lot nastier combos than that.Thanks for the inputVraille Darkfang</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vraille Darkfang, post: 1524010, member: 16989"] Yes, but I lose my first attack in a combat as I use a standrd action to begin the dancing. My first attack almost always hits and I do 1d6+10 +1d6 fire damage. I average around 20 points of damage with that first attack. The Dancing weapon then needs to make up for it over the next three rounds. But all it does is 1d6+2 damage at a much lower attack bonus. I lose the +5 hit/damage from strength, the +2 hit & Damage from feats and the greater critical range. Against high AC opponents these attacks seldom hit, and the average amount of extra damage from those 3 rounds doesn't make up for that first lost attack. Basically, what I'm asking is why +4? I mean I just got a +6 WEAPON! My character should be doing the happy halfling dance. Not "Really, +6 huh? I guess there are times I'll be able to use it." I'm not questioning that its a nice ability, just rather it's the equivalent to having a +2 Flaming Burst, Shocking Burst weapon. It seems to be overpriced, that's all. As for Speed only giving ONE extra attack. I have a 21 Str, Wpn Focus, Wpn Spec, Gtr Wpn Focus, Imp Crit. I have an extra +7 to hit & +7 damge (14 on a crit 30% of the time). Over the long run, a Speed weapon (only a +3 mod), would allow me to consderably more damage than a Dancing weapon combined with my current weapon. As both a Player & a DM, I think the d20 team did a good job with the rules, overall. I don't want to change anything into a house rule until I understand why they did what they did. I thinking of making Dancing a +2 mod. From everything I can see this is more balenced. I'd like the people on this list to show me the Dirty Tricks that can be done with Dancing, so I'm not walking blind into my own campaigns. As for the +1 Wounding Dancing Blade. Ain't that a +7 Sword? +1 Enchancement, +4 Dancing, +2 Wounding. For +7 I can come up with a lot nastier combos than that. Thanks for the input Vraille Darkfang [/QUOTE]

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