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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1345590" data-attributes="member: 1656">Strictly, what I said still applies.You get Improved Trip if you use a whip or whip dagger to perform the trip attack.On a successful trip, the feat allows you to make a melee attack as if you hadn't used the attack for a trip.So, if you trip someone with a whip or whip dagger, you get to make a melee attack.  But your whip makes ranged attacks, so you don't get to use it for the Improved Trip attack.But the advantage of being a Lasher in this case is that if you trip someone from five feet away, you don't provoke an AoO... and then you can make your Improved Trip melee attack as an unarmed strike.  Kick 'em in the ribs, say.You might want to see if Sagiro'll let you make the extra attack with the whip, but it's not how it works as written <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />-Hyp.</blockquote>