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<blockquote data-quote="iamtheend" data-source="post: 5584852" data-attributes="member: 94031">In my recent campaign a seasoned veteran who has DMed in the past created his character as a Dark Creature. With no concealment at all he just made a hide check in front of people which no penalties or bluffing.I asked if he was a Shadow dancer and he said no so I was really taken back by what I must of missed with all the books I've read through. He also negated creatures with dark vision from seeing him.I didn't want to start an argument and the DM was accepting it but then again it was his first time doing a game. So it seems now that he was wrong about not needing concealment and I believe he would also be wrong to assume darkvision can't see him since this isn't (Su).Are there any penalties for him hiding in front of someone looking at him like the -10 for moving fast?EDIT= Again you typed another post as I responded. Sorry.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="iamtheend, post: 5584852, member: 94031"] In my recent campaign a seasoned veteran who has DMed in the past created his character as a Dark Creature. With no concealment at all he just made a hide check in front of people which no penalties or bluffing. I asked if he was a Shadow dancer and he said no so I was really taken back by what I must of missed with all the books I've read through. He also negated creatures with dark vision from seeing him. I didn't want to start an argument and the DM was accepting it but then again it was his first time doing a game. So it seems now that he was wrong about not needing concealment and I believe he would also be wrong to assume darkvision can't see him since this isn't (Su). Are there any penalties for him hiding in front of someone looking at him like the -10 for moving fast? EDIT= Again you typed another post as I responded. Sorry. [/QUOTE]

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