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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 360552" data-attributes="member: 2011">Re: wellCome on JGB, it would never happen. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Actually, I do have the second printing. Unfortunately, I pulled that information off the SRD which they have NOT kept up to date. I knew about Continual Flame, but not Dancing Lights. Thanks for the update.As for figments (and glamers for that matter) not generating light, that is lame. Figments can generate sound or thermal qualities or tactile qualities (all typically evocation effects), but not light? So, an illusionary bonfire can give off sound and heat, but not light and to see it, you must bring over a torch? With this type of thinking, there is no way to create an illusionary bonfire in the game (at least with core rule spells). Light is just another type of energy like sound and heat. There is no reason to think that a magical effect that could allow you to see anything could not allow you to see light.The only main type of illusion that can create semi-real effects are shadows. But, I do not know of any core conjuration or evocation spells that let you bring forth a bonfire, wood, ashes, heat, fire, etc., so it’d probably be tough to use a shadow spell to do it. Maybe there is a shadow spell that I’m not thinking of that could do this, but if so, it escapes me at the moment (at least from core rules).So, if you want an illusion of a Glowing Sword (or bonfire) where no object already exists, you are basically stuck with Figments. No other illusion type really fits the bill.If you want an illusion of a Glowing Sword (or bonfire) where an object already exists, you are basically stuck with Glamers. Finally, the definition of Pattern supports that Figments can give off light:“Like a figment, a pattern spell creates an image that others can see”Since virtually every pattern gives off light (Color Spray, Hypnotic Pattern, Rainbow Pattern), it would seem that it’s image creation capability by default includes giving off light. If that is like a figments ability to create an image as per this sentence, then it implies that a figment could be used to emulate the visual portion (but not the mind affecting portion) of a pattern spell, including the light. I could use Silent Image to emulate the light portion of Color Spray because both spells create an image that others can see. Nothing anywhere indicates that you have to be in a lit location to see the Silent Image spell, but not the Color Spray one.Well maybe. Or, maybe the magic of the illusion displaces the air (as opposed to surrounding it). Lot’s of different interpretations out there that could still follow the rules. Sometimes it is not the rules that are inconsistent, it's the interpretations.I couldn’t agree more. If KR wouldn’t have lashed out with two back to back unprovoked set of comments, I wouldn’t have told him off.And, I appreciate you trying to smooth the waters JGB, but I doubt it will help much in this case.</blockquote>

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