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<blockquote data-quote="LightPhoenix" data-source="post: 4390794" data-attributes="member: 115">I thought it was a decent movie, even good, but not nearly as good as Batman Begins.My main complaint is with the last third to quarter of the movie, which I found very rambling.&nbsp; I think that it could have been a little tighter.&nbsp; Specifically (spoilers), [sblock]The scenes on the ferries could have been easily cut.&nbsp; Spiderman-style crowd-wanking doesn't belong in a Batman movie.&nbsp;&nbsp; The guy who figured out Batman was good for a joke from Lucius, but otherwise extraneous to the plot.&nbsp; The last fight against the SWAT was much too tedious for what should have been the final action scene.[/sblock]As dumb as this may sound, I also think that the movie tried to feature too much of the Batman psychology.&nbsp; I enjoyed all of it, but I think that it all came out a little too muddled to actually have the impact that the first movie had.&nbsp; For example (more spoilers), [sblock]The whole question of the movie seemed to be &quot;What is Batman,&quot; which is a fair question and very interesting.&nbsp; The problem is that I don't think the movie did a good job qualifying that question.&nbsp; We ended up with &quot;What is Batman to Bruce,&quot; and the subsequent man vs. self introspection of if he should be Batman; the &quot;Is Batman a freak,&quot; question in comparison and contrast to the Joker and Dent; &quot;What is Batman to Gotham,&quot; leading to the &quot;what is my place/purpose&quot; question; and &quot;Is Batman a hero,&quot; spiel that is kind of tacked on to the end.&nbsp; I think they should have picked two (either Bruce/Gotham or Freak/Hero) and save the other.&nbsp; Personally, I think the former works better for this movie, and moving the latter to a possible third movie.&nbsp; Having both leads to scenes such as the fake Batmen - interesting, but not followed through on.[/sblock]What I specifically liked:The opening sequence, which sets the stage that Batman has been doing this for a while now.&nbsp; The cameo was cool too.&nbsp; There's another point they call this out, when they indicate that the Joker has been around for a bit.&nbsp; It also sets the stage well for [spoiler]The &quot;What is Batman to Bruce&quot;[/spoiler] idea.Pretty much all the actors and characterization.&nbsp; The notable exception is the utterly annoying Rachel Dawes, but that's a given.&nbsp; The stuff with the minor cast (the cops, the mayor, the comissioner, etc) was excellent.&nbsp; They pretty much nailed the Joker.I'm not a big fan of scales, but I'd give it a 7/10.&nbsp; It's a decent movie, but not as good as the sequel, and certainly not the best movie ever.&nbsp; For reference, a 5/10 is completely unremarkable; a 3/10 would be notably poor; and I would put Batman Begins at 8/10.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LightPhoenix, post: 4390794, member: 115"] I thought it was a decent movie, even good, but not nearly as good as Batman Begins. My main complaint is with the last third to quarter of the movie, which I found very rambling. I think that it could have been a little tighter. Specifically (spoilers), [sblock]The scenes on the ferries could have been easily cut. Spiderman-style crowd-wanking doesn't belong in a Batman movie. The guy who figured out Batman was good for a joke from Lucius, but otherwise extraneous to the plot. The last fight against the SWAT was much too tedious for what should have been the final action scene.[/sblock] As dumb as this may sound, I also think that the movie tried to feature too much of the Batman psychology. I enjoyed all of it, but I think that it all came out a little too muddled to actually have the impact that the first movie had. For example (more spoilers), [sblock]The whole question of the movie seemed to be "What is Batman," which is a fair question and very interesting. The problem is that I don't think the movie did a good job qualifying that question. We ended up with "What is Batman to Bruce," and the subsequent man vs. self introspection of if he should be Batman; the "Is Batman a freak," question in comparison and contrast to the Joker and Dent; "What is Batman to Gotham," leading to the "what is my place/purpose" question; and "Is Batman a hero," spiel that is kind of tacked on to the end. I think they should have picked two (either Bruce/Gotham or Freak/Hero) and save the other. Personally, I think the former works better for this movie, and moving the latter to a possible third movie. Having both leads to scenes such as the fake Batmen - interesting, but not followed through on.[/sblock] What I specifically liked: The opening sequence, which sets the stage that Batman has been doing this for a while now. The cameo was cool too. There's another point they call this out, when they indicate that the Joker has been around for a bit. It also sets the stage well for [spoiler]The "What is Batman to Bruce"[/spoiler] idea. Pretty much all the actors and characterization. The notable exception is the utterly annoying Rachel Dawes, but that's a given. The stuff with the minor cast (the cops, the mayor, the comissioner, etc) was excellent. They pretty much nailed the Joker. I'm not a big fan of scales, but I'd give it a 7/10. It's a decent movie, but not as good as the sequel, and certainly not the best movie ever. For reference, a 5/10 is completely unremarkable; a 3/10 would be notably poor; and I would put Batman Begins at 8/10. [/QUOTE]

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