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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 4403642" data-attributes="member: 114">Just seen it, and I'm astonished at what a dark and disturbing film it was - it was a 12a in the UK (children 12+, or younger children with an adult), but I felt it had a lot of really disturbing stuff in it.Heath Ledger has defined the joker (with credits to screenwriter and director too). This was the most awfully CE villain I remember seeing portrayed anywhere, and there really was a feeling that he could do -anything- next.There were some scenes that seemed stupid to me[sblock]1. Batman is driving his motorbike towards the joker, who is playing chicken with him. Batman, who just seconds ago easily wove the motorbike back and forth between the wheels of a juggernaut(!) twitches away from the joker and crashes, knocking himself out - when he should have just flicked out an arm or leg as he drove past and knocked the joker silly.2. (this one is probably just poor editing) After taunting the cop while in the cell (and why would they have a cop in the room with him, when they can watch him from outside the locked cell?), the cop goes to assault him and the next thing you know Joker is in the police dept with the guy hostage and a knife to his throat and I'm thinking woah - although we didn't need to see the Joker beat the guy, we should have had something between one scene and the next appearance.3. Batman facing two-face in the warehouse. Two-face flicks the coin upwards AND WATCHES THE COIN; Batman does nothing. No batarang or bat-shuriken to take out Harvey or the knife while he's not looking. He does it later, but he really should have acted at that moment.4. I was wondering whether Bruce ever did get around to reading the instructions about the exploding forearm spikes, since he never bothered using them at some points when they would have been particularly useful (e.g. against the rottweilers).[/sblock]Having said that, there were some great lines in the movie (from all characters) and some excellent scenes. One of my favourites was:[sblock]On the boat with the prisoners, when the burly tough prisoner says 'give the detonator to me, and I'll do what you ought to have done 10 minutes ago' - and then chucks it out the window. Great scene.[/sblock]I did feel that a lot of fight scene editing was too dark and too confused. Nolan might be trying to make you feel 'part of the action' but it just made it a confused mess, and actually makes you feel LESS 'part of the action' - like the handheld camera fetish of some directors, it makes the film look as though you are looking through a recording of a handheld camera rather than actually being there because (surprise surprise) you don't get the jiggly effect with your own eyes. Bah!It was a good film. In my personal comic-book-film pantheon I'd place it just below Spider Man 2 (which still has top spot in my book)</blockquote>

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