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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SinisterSage" data-source="post: 2924751" data-attributes="member: 41503">It's difficult to estimate a correct CR adjustment because the template's offensive and defensive qualities diverge significantly.Defence: Creature gains +60 or more on AC, fast healing 50, SR etc.Based on these qualities i would think it is meant to be a CR +25 or more templateAttack:-template gives only +20 on attacks (STR +40); the Butcher the Weak ability doesn't work against most enemies that can seriously challenge the Dark Lord. -Using HD to determine the caster level in an epic template is problematic. Monsters with few HD will get high Callenge Ratings, but wont be able to overcome any spell resistances.I would suggest using the new CR as caster level.Seems like two Dark Lords built on the same base creature cannot hurt each other.What CR adjustment did you aim for?? PS.:Maybe the template is a bit overloaded? Lots of good ideas. Could probably yield 2 or 3 good creatures/templates. On the other hand, giving a lot of special abilities to a single creature also has its charms <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> The Remold ability rocks!! Simple, yet EVIL and suggesting multiple adventure hooks.</blockquote>