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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bagpuss" data-source="post: 3696675" data-attributes="member: 3987">Right so killing in defense of yourself is not worthy of a DSP, but killing in the defense of thousands is?You raise another interesting point Anakin realises that killing Dooku was wrong after the event. A point illustrated again when Mace Windu is about to execute the Emperor in much the same way Anakin executed Dooku, but he steps in. Would Mace have got a DSP for killing the Emperor perhaps? Yet Anakin saves the Emperor, and actually falls further to the darkside.I think the point if any I'm trying to make here, is that anything written in the rulebook about allocating DSP's can only be taken as a guide. Sometimes a character can be acting for good, and still gain DSP, and other times he can be acting for right reasons not earn a DSP yet still advance the cause of evil. Dooku after all was perhaps right when he left the Jedi Order, the fact the Senate was corrupt and the Jedi were pawns of it, he probably left on the best of intentions. Anakin was perhaps right to stop Mace executing the Emperor.There aren't any real hard and fast rules (IMHO), so the examples I gave above and what I say below are just general guidelines that I use. <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If you directly use the force to cause harm I am more likely to give a DSP than if you indirectly use the force.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If you indirectly use the force to cause harm I am more likely to give a DSP than if you use mundane means.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If you use the force to do something, I will inspect the motivations and results of the action more than if you use mundane means.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If you are Force Sensitive I will inspect the motivations and results of any action more than if you are not Force Sensitive.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I am more likely to give a DSP if you are Force Sensitive, and even more likely if you used the Force (either a Force Point or the Use the Force skill).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">It is entirely possible that two characters can be involved in the same action with the same motivations and one get a DSP and the other not, due to these guidelines.</li> </ul>Often in these sort of debates people bring up the example of Luke using Force Grip on the Gamorrean as he enters Jabba's Palace, some claim it as proof that Force Grip can be used on living targets without giving a Darkside point. Other say he used Mind Trick to make it think it was choking so he didn't get a DSP.To me it doesn't matter if he used Mind Trick or Force Grip, Luke got a DSP there, he probably atoned for it later. Just because you pick up the odd DSP doesn't mean you are a darksider, and at that point in the films Luke was acting out of fear for and love of his friends, and anger at Jabba. He used the Force to get round the Gamorrean because it was quicker and easier. He toys with the darkside throughout RotJ (why do you think he is wearing black?).But then Jedi Philosophy is a effectively a religion, and you always get arguements about religion. I see myself in the less moderate camp. If you want to play it differently in your game feel free....But of course mine is the one true path.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Lucas was probably a bit more moderate than me, and because of that he fell to the darkside and released Phantom Menace.</blockquote>

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