Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Enchanted Trinkets Complete--a hardcover book containing over 500 magic items for your D&D games!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Dark Sun, 4th Edition
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Spatula" data-source="post: 4147131" data-attributes="member: 2198"><p>Not alone here, and I'm with you, but head over to Athas.org if it's still around for the other fanbase.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, I was wrong in that DS did use some regular D&D monsters beyond skeletons & zombies, but mostly desert-themed ones (genies) or those that worked for a desert setting (overgrown lizards & bugs).</p><p></p><p>Wow, a tree monster in a desert. And a new flavor of dark elves where there's no "light" elves to constrast them with. And giants - fomorians aren't fey, and DS has its own particular giants.</p><p></p><p>Of course, what qualifies as "minor details" differs from person to person. Upthread, Klaus advocated getting rid of psionics in the setting, which is a critical part of it in my view (and if the 4e psion is not a better blaster than the arcane casters, as we have in 3e, it would work really well for the setting, too). Here you're for throwing goblins into a setting that doesn't have them, or anything even resembling them, much as Dragonlance does not have orcs (unless something has changed with DL). If someone came out with a 4e DL setting filled with orcs, I think the fans might not appreciate the sudden change. The weakest humanoid-type monster in DS was the gith, which had 3HD and psionic powers. One gith would eat a hobgoblin for a pre-breakfast snack.</p><p></p><p>Paladins would possibly make good templars, then.</p><p></p><p>Any setup that has defilers and preservers as two seperate classes is a bit lazy, IMO. Preservers, by the setting fluff, should be able to tap into more power via defiling if they wish (and there should be consequences for doing so). The Dragon/Dungeon conversion got this much right, at least, even if I didn't care for the particular mechanic used there.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Spatula, post: 4147131, member: 2198"] Not alone here, and I'm with you, but head over to Athas.org if it's still around for the other fanbase. Anyway, I was wrong in that DS did use some regular D&D monsters beyond skeletons & zombies, but mostly desert-themed ones (genies) or those that worked for a desert setting (overgrown lizards & bugs). Wow, a tree monster in a desert. And a new flavor of dark elves where there's no "light" elves to constrast them with. And giants - fomorians aren't fey, and DS has its own particular giants. Of course, what qualifies as "minor details" differs from person to person. Upthread, Klaus advocated getting rid of psionics in the setting, which is a critical part of it in my view (and if the 4e psion is not a better blaster than the arcane casters, as we have in 3e, it would work really well for the setting, too). Here you're for throwing goblins into a setting that doesn't have them, or anything even resembling them, much as Dragonlance does not have orcs (unless something has changed with DL). If someone came out with a 4e DL setting filled with orcs, I think the fans might not appreciate the sudden change. The weakest humanoid-type monster in DS was the gith, which had 3HD and psionic powers. One gith would eat a hobgoblin for a pre-breakfast snack. Paladins would possibly make good templars, then. Any setup that has defilers and preservers as two seperate classes is a bit lazy, IMO. Preservers, by the setting fluff, should be able to tap into more power via defiling if they wish (and there should be consequences for doing so). The Dragon/Dungeon conversion got this much right, at least, even if I didn't care for the particular mechanic used there. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Dark Sun, 4th Edition
Top