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Message: <blockquote data-quote="cbwjm" data-source="post: 7556073" data-attributes="member: 6788732">I'm not sure where I read it, but I could have sworn there were rules for switching between the two types of arcane magic. Something that allowed a preserver to defile but require atonement or fall and a defiler to give up defiling magic and switch to a preserver. I'm sure it was in 2e and that going from defiler to preserver could cost you some levels but for the life of me, I can't recall where I read it.Like you, I think defiling works much better if it is a choice made by the caster rather than having a preserver/defiler split. If defiling causes penalties to accrue every time you defile then those who follow the path of preservation will likely seek to atone when they are forced into a situation where they need to defile. This also sets up a temptation for the player. Do they seek the power of defiling magic thinking the benefits outweigh the penalties, or do they seek to resist the power and work to restore their world.</blockquote>