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<blockquote data-quote="Staffan" data-source="post: 9534677" data-attributes="member: 907">I didn't like 4e overall, but it had some good ideas and I'm sad 5e threw the good ones out with the bad, or misunderstood how they worked when trying to integrate them (short rests and healing surges/hit dice, I'm looking at you). But after trying 4e out, my group didn't stay with it – so we never played 4e Dark&nbsp; Sun either. But for what it was, 4e Dark Sun seemed like a good compromise between new and old, and in some cases going even further than the OG rules (e.g. removing clerics entirely in favor of primal alternatives like the shaman).Well for one thing, &quot;fans&quot; are rarely a monolithic block. The fans that dislike &quot;stagnation&quot; are not the same ones that dislike setting-shaking events. I, for one, prefer settings that are frozen in time and focus on developing detail for that moment and present potential pathways forward rather than settings that are in constant flux and keep invalidating old material. Eberron is the model to use.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Staffan, post: 9534677, member: 907"] I didn't like 4e overall, but it had some good ideas and I'm sad 5e threw the good ones out with the bad, or misunderstood how they worked when trying to integrate them (short rests and healing surges/hit dice, I'm looking at you). But after trying 4e out, my group didn't stay with it – so we never played 4e Dark Sun either. But for what it was, 4e Dark Sun seemed like a good compromise between new and old, and in some cases going even further than the OG rules (e.g. removing clerics entirely in favor of primal alternatives like the shaman). Well for one thing, "fans" are rarely a monolithic block. The fans that dislike "stagnation" are not the same ones that dislike setting-shaking events. I, for one, prefer settings that are frozen in time and focus on developing detail for that moment and present potential pathways forward rather than settings that are in constant flux and keep invalidating old material. Eberron is the model to use. [/QUOTE]

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