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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 9743312" data-attributes="member: 6716779">Maybe. Mandela memory. &nbsp;Cleansing wars wasn't mentioned in product until 94 iirc. Outside the novels it was the 2nd one iirc that brought it up. &nbsp;Reasonably sure it wasn't referenced OBS, Dragon Kings, Dunedin Trader, Earth, Air. Fire, Water. &nbsp;By D&amp;D standards the prism oenrad were masterclass novels. Not a fan of what they did to the setting. &nbsp;I don't want them retconned out just revert to an updated OBS adding stuff that makes sense. A lot of the &quot;problem&quot; things people mention about DS also came later. &nbsp;Muls, slavery and Sorcerer Kings being tyrants was in the OBS. Iirc the Wanderer calls them defilers. &nbsp;The Dragon us in OBS but he isn't a Sorcerer King abd the SKs aren't Dragons. &nbsp;Iirc that was Dragon Kings and book 2 or 3 of Prism Pentad.&nbsp; I hate retcons. Dont retcon the old lore away but leave it open ended and give PCs a chance to over throw Kalak imho. Let's individual DMs the choice to use 4E, okd lire or their own.&nbsp;&nbsp;All the TSR setting suffered from RSE metaplot imho. I was 17 we had a Templar of Kakak in the party. He used his wealth for parties and they had private estate that kinda sidelined Kalak.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 9743312, member: 6716779"] Maybe. Mandela memory. Cleansing wars wasn't mentioned in product until 94 iirc. Outside the novels it was the 2nd one iirc that brought it up. Reasonably sure it wasn't referenced OBS, Dragon Kings, Dunedin Trader, Earth, Air. Fire, Water. By D&D standards the prism oenrad were masterclass novels. Not a fan of what they did to the setting. I don't want them retconned out just revert to an updated OBS adding stuff that makes sense. A lot of the "problem" things people mention about DS also came later. Muls, slavery and Sorcerer Kings being tyrants was in the OBS. Iirc the Wanderer calls them defilers. The Dragon us in OBS but he isn't a Sorcerer King abd the SKs aren't Dragons. Iirc that was Dragon Kings and book 2 or 3 of Prism Pentad. I hate retcons. Dont retcon the old lore away but leave it open ended and give PCs a chance to over throw Kalak imho. Let's individual DMs the choice to use 4E, okd lire or their own. All the TSR setting suffered from RSE metaplot imho. I was 17 we had a Templar of Kakak in the party. He used his wealth for parties and they had private estate that kinda sidelined Kalak. [/QUOTE]

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