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<blockquote data-quote="peedy711" data-source="post: 1225063" data-attributes="member: 10822">I've never been fond of elves taking a constitution penalty in Dark Sun...&nbsp; Yes, they are lazy, but I have always felt the con penalty was an &quot;easy out&quot; for choosing a stat drop.&nbsp; Athasian elves aren't as frail as elves in other worlds... in fact, by this conversion, a player might be led to think that athasian elves are even more frail than other elves.I'm not saying they should receive a bonus per se, only that the penalty should be placed on another stat.&nbsp; Charisma seems to be appropriate, for a couple reasons:The elven philosophy of &quot;keep up or be left behind&quot; is not one of compassion.&nbsp; As a race of theives, looking out for others is a rather foreign idea to them; making friends for them is difficult.Also, Elves are rather infamous.&nbsp; They are astute liars, but even then they have a hard time getting people to trust them.&nbsp; In their social encounters, making the other person think they are honest is a frequent hurdle they have to jump.&nbsp; A penalty to charisma seems to be in order, but a bonus to bluff checks would also be appropriate.&nbsp; (not necessarily making up for their charisma penalty)&nbsp; I am not entirely sure about the wisdom penalty either; It sort of plays against the idea that elves sometimes have to live by their wits.&nbsp; Im not saying they deserve a bonus, but a penalty feels inappropriate to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="peedy711, post: 1225063, member: 10822"] I've never been fond of elves taking a constitution penalty in Dark Sun... Yes, they are lazy, but I have always felt the con penalty was an "easy out" for choosing a stat drop. Athasian elves aren't as frail as elves in other worlds... in fact, by this conversion, a player might be led to think that athasian elves are even more frail than other elves. I'm not saying they should receive a bonus per se, only that the penalty should be placed on another stat. Charisma seems to be appropriate, for a couple reasons: The elven philosophy of "keep up or be left behind" is not one of compassion. As a race of theives, looking out for others is a rather foreign idea to them; making friends for them is difficult. Also, Elves are rather infamous. They are astute liars, but even then they have a hard time getting people to trust them. In their social encounters, making the other person think they are honest is a frequent hurdle they have to jump. A penalty to charisma seems to be in order, but a bonus to bluff checks would also be appropriate. (not necessarily making up for their charisma penalty) I am not entirely sure about the wisdom penalty either; It sort of plays against the idea that elves sometimes have to live by their wits. Im not saying they deserve a bonus, but a penalty feels inappropriate to me. [/QUOTE]

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