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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8094390" data-attributes="member: 16814">I agree with you 100% about magic and what it is on Athas.&nbsp; I don't see where you made the case the you need psionics to do things -- things like what?&nbsp; Psionics in the game didn't enable life very much, but it did enable more violence.&nbsp; You don't need psionics to be violent.&nbsp; I'm curious as the the case for what psionics means to the world of Athas aside from a way for creatures and PCs to be more dangerous?&nbsp; Is it that magic is a necessary part of playing D&amp;D, even in Athas, so if normal magic is cabined off as bad (and preservers aren't evil, even if no one's going to wait long enough to figure that out) you have to have some alternate fluff magic that you can do?&nbsp; Honestly, last last bit I spitballed is the strongest argument I've seen so far for inclusion of psionics.&nbsp; Other than that it's argument from tradition (psionics has always been part of Dark Sun, it doesn't need more reason than that) or special pleading (psionics isn't really magic, or you need psionics to make weird alien monsters).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8094390, member: 16814"] I agree with you 100% about magic and what it is on Athas. I don't see where you made the case the you need psionics to do things -- things like what? Psionics in the game didn't enable life very much, but it did enable more violence. You don't need psionics to be violent. I'm curious as the the case for what psionics means to the world of Athas aside from a way for creatures and PCs to be more dangerous? Is it that magic is a necessary part of playing D&D, even in Athas, so if normal magic is cabined off as bad (and preservers aren't evil, even if no one's going to wait long enough to figure that out) you have to have some alternate fluff magic that you can do? Honestly, last last bit I spitballed is the strongest argument I've seen so far for inclusion of psionics. Other than that it's argument from tradition (psionics has always been part of Dark Sun, it doesn't need more reason than that) or special pleading (psionics isn't really magic, or you need psionics to make weird alien monsters). [/QUOTE]

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