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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TwoSix" data-source="post: 8094858" data-attributes="member: 205"><p>Ehh...I'd argue with this a bit.  I think "brutish struggle against the environment", Mad Max style, is certainly baked into the DNA of the setting.  But I think "struggle to achieve the strength to overthrow the overwhelming power of a sorcerer-king" is also baked right in there.  I mean, 2e had rules to become a dragon king or an avangion yourself for a reason (because we were all younger then and doing stuff like that seemed fun!), and 4e had Kalak's overthrow in Tyr as the starting point of the whole setting.  One reason I preferred the 4e book over the 2e material was precisely because it buried elements of hope within all the grim, without making it too obvious.</p></blockquote><p></p>