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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GreenTengu" data-source="post: 6778524" data-attributes="member: 6777454">By half-ogre, I meant half-giant. To my mind there is no significant difference-- I just view Ogres as being the only "giants" small enough to breed with humans. (Well, typically given the how the last few have developed the concept of Orcs, they might well be even smaller giants which makes all half-orcs effectively half-giantkin) I mean, I just think of Ogres as smaller Hill Giants and most things in the last 3 editions seem to more or less back that idea.So Half-Ogre or Half-Giant, it seems like the same thing to me. Granted, maybe Dark Sun has an explanation for half-giants that lies outside the general breeding practice.And... yes... it is irksome to me that a setting would insist on including elves, dwarves and halflings, but preclude the possibility of kobolds, goblinoids, orcs or gnomes in some form as I would kind of either tend towards excluding all traditional races or trying to include all of the main ones in some capacity. Granted-- I do understand that this setting was initially conceptualized when there was nothing interesting at all about kobolds, goblins, hobgoblins, orcs, etc. except that they were just bags of increasingly larger hit points that produced XP when hit with your sword enough to pop. And so given the time that Dark Sun was created, I can understand the idea of absolutely HAVING to absolutely beyond any question include the 4 races that were in the core rulebook for all of the game, but feeling free to toss away the monster manual....But 30 years later?.... Man it feels like a massive lost opportunity not to take the more properly developed concepts of these people and see how they might shake out in this setting. With the more developed concept of Orcs being this really primal race of survivors who can adapt to just about any climate possibly, but utterly fail when it comes to higher intellectual pursuits and certainly including the adoption of technology... or the idea of the hobgoblins as a highly structured, highly rigorously trained people who aim for perfection in body, mind and soul but as a people utterly reject creative thinking, abandonment of tradition for new innovation or advancement in the peaceful social diplomatic arena in favor of a "survival of the fittest" domination model secure in the belief that they would win in the grand struggle.... And, of course, the conception of Kobolds as Dragonkin who just... utterly fail to achieve their potential and instead struggle as a collective mass full of superstition and an ambition for greatness that just can't be achieved...Well, their Dark Sun adapted versions would probably be considerably more interesting than the Halflings there.</blockquote>

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