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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Klaus" data-source="post: 4890151" data-attributes="member: 607">Actually, unless the dragon makes a Stealth check at the end of a move action, it is not hidden. You know in which square it is, even if it benefits of Total Concealment, due to non-visual clues. Even if the dragon moves up to 2 squares and makes a Stealth check, you're immediately aware of where it's at if it makes an attack (with, say, its breath weapon).If the PCs can get up to +3 bonuses to attack rolls, the effective defenses of the Black Dragon will be on par with a Level 4 solo soldier.A level 4 Rogue's attack bonus would be +5 (Dex 20) +2 (level) +1 (magic weapon) +4 (dagger), for a total of +12. He use Piercing Strike to attack the dragon's Reflex 20, hitting on a 13+ (taking into account -5 penalty from total concealment). If he targets AC, he hits on a 15+. If he uses a power like Blinding Barrage (close blast), he hits on a 10+.Looking at the dragon's defenses, characters would be better served by targeting its Will or Fortitude. It's the DM's job to convey this information, saying black dragons are less sturdy as their kin, and have a reputation for being weak-willed cowards, with no stomach for a straight-up fight, but that it is very agile, with snake-like reflexes.</blockquote>