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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1999693" data-attributes="member: 2011">There really is no difference between total concealment and invisibility for an attacker."Invisible: Visually undetectable. An invisible creature gains a +2 bonus on attack rolls against sighted opponents, and ignores its opponents’ Dexterity bonuses to AC (if any)."Nothing states that invisible means that you must be under the influence of a spell or power.A character in the dark is "Visually undetectable". A character in total concealment is "Visually undetectable".Even without total concealment, you won't necessarily see an opponent until you make a Spot roll (or he shoots you or something) and if you cannot see your opponent, you are denied your Dexterity bonus to AC (minimally).For example from the SRD:"A creature with blindsense is still denied its Dexterity bonus to Armor Class against attacks from creatures it cannot see.""Blinded: The character cannot see. He takes a –2 penalty to Armor Class, loses his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any)""In areas of darkness, creatures without darkvision are effectively blinded. In addition to the obvious effects, a blinded creature has a 50% miss chance in combat (all opponents have total concealment), loses any Dexterity bonus to AC, takes a –2 penalty to AC"Since the attack modifier rules for blindness and invisibilty are effectively the same (one is +2 to hit and the other is -2 to AC), it seems that if you do not see an attacker, it's tough to react. Granted, a DM could rule that you see the arrow for the split second that it comes into the light (and hence he does not get the +2 to hit), but if he would rule that for a character you cannot see in the darkness, why would he rule that way for an invisible character that is standing in bright light and firing an arrow at you?In any case, this is how our DM is running it. It appears to be what was intended.</blockquote>

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