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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7169695" data-attributes="member: 6716779">Steel great swords doing 2d8 might be a bit much though. A steel Greatword though might be the equivalent of a flametongue which deals an extra 2d6 fire so its not a bad idea. &nbsp;Still not a fan of Templars being warlocks. It kinda violates the magic energy= plant life thing and even if they did draw power from plants why would a SK want a heap of defliers as servants? A few pet defilers sure.&nbsp;And if Templars are preservers why owuld a heap of preservers be working for the Sorcerer Kings? &nbsp;Either way its bad and its even worse if Templars use arcane magic and do not have to obey the defiling rules. Warlocks might actually exist somewhere on Athas but not as a PC class or perhaps they can exist in a later time period once knowledge spreads or the PCs discover a new power source and can MC into the class or pick the warlock as a replacement PC.&nbsp;The other reason is the PHB pacts also do not make much sense for Darksun either and it was a quick and dirty conversion and rewriting the races and classes is a pain. Its very easy to say elemental clerics get these elemental domain(s) and the Templars get different domains. Its faithful to the original work, novels etc and its easy from a game design PoV. &nbsp;If you read the original material such as A Little Knowledge even existing spellcasters like Preservers and Defilers do not have a strong understanding on magic theory or how it works. Its a contributing reasonto why the world is in the shape its in and I think the magic energy comes from plants thing is a fairly big sacred cow for Dark Sun, its what makes the place unique. &nbsp;Additional arcane classes kind of water that down and they rewrote the 2E bard (5E valor bard is close to it) for a reason. On Athas magic is hard even for a normal wizard.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 7169695, member: 6716779"] Steel great swords doing 2d8 might be a bit much though. A steel Greatword though might be the equivalent of a flametongue which deals an extra 2d6 fire so its not a bad idea. Still not a fan of Templars being warlocks. It kinda violates the magic energy= plant life thing and even if they did draw power from plants why would a SK want a heap of defliers as servants? A few pet defilers sure. And if Templars are preservers why owuld a heap of preservers be working for the Sorcerer Kings? Either way its bad and its even worse if Templars use arcane magic and do not have to obey the defiling rules. Warlocks might actually exist somewhere on Athas but not as a PC class or perhaps they can exist in a later time period once knowledge spreads or the PCs discover a new power source and can MC into the class or pick the warlock as a replacement PC. The other reason is the PHB pacts also do not make much sense for Darksun either and it was a quick and dirty conversion and rewriting the races and classes is a pain. Its very easy to say elemental clerics get these elemental domain(s) and the Templars get different domains. Its faithful to the original work, novels etc and its easy from a game design PoV. If you read the original material such as A Little Knowledge even existing spellcasters like Preservers and Defilers do not have a strong understanding on magic theory or how it works. Its a contributing reasonto why the world is in the shape its in and I think the magic energy comes from plants thing is a fairly big sacred cow for Dark Sun, its what makes the place unique. Additional arcane classes kind of water that down and they rewrote the 2E bard (5E valor bard is close to it) for a reason. On Athas magic is hard even for a normal wizard. [/QUOTE]

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