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<blockquote data-quote="Jer" data-source="post: 8693032" data-attributes="member: 19857"><p>They tried multiple times to sell it and the initial sales were lower each time they did. We don't have Wizards numbers for their 1998 attempt or their 2 3e releases but I suspect they were not good.</p><p></p><p>So there's that. But Realms books followed the same pattern. So as I said elsewhere I suspect the real reason the Realms is known and successful is due to non-ttrpg licensing- specifically the video games. I have to believe that Eye of the Beholder and the Gold Box games gave the setting more visibility so by the time Wizards tried to do anything with Greyhawk the benefits of doing so were outweighed by the costs. And also the massive push with novels that they did with FR that they tried with Greyhawk and abandoned.</p><p></p><p>So to me the real questions are why did they push FR so hard and just give up on Greyhawk. And I suspect it's because they owned The Realms through a signed contract with Ed Greenwood and their ownership of Greyhawk was more complicated and involved the potential of litigation with someone they forced out of the company. Combine that with the very real feeling that Greyhawk fans weren't interested in a Greyhawk without Gygax and it makes sense that TSR would push FR and leave Greyhawk fallow. By the time Wizards came along and tried to make Greyhawk a thing (including finally at least using it as a setting in a video game) there just wasn't enough interest for them to work with - even internally IIRC Erik Mona was the only one who really evangelized for Greyhawk.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jer, post: 8693032, member: 19857"] They tried multiple times to sell it and the initial sales were lower each time they did. We don't have Wizards numbers for their 1998 attempt or their 2 3e releases but I suspect they were not good. So there's that. But Realms books followed the same pattern. So as I said elsewhere I suspect the real reason the Realms is known and successful is due to non-ttrpg licensing- specifically the video games. I have to believe that Eye of the Beholder and the Gold Box games gave the setting more visibility so by the time Wizards tried to do anything with Greyhawk the benefits of doing so were outweighed by the costs. And also the massive push with novels that they did with FR that they tried with Greyhawk and abandoned. So to me the real questions are why did they push FR so hard and just give up on Greyhawk. And I suspect it's because they owned The Realms through a signed contract with Ed Greenwood and their ownership of Greyhawk was more complicated and involved the potential of litigation with someone they forced out of the company. Combine that with the very real feeling that Greyhawk fans weren't interested in a Greyhawk without Gygax and it makes sense that TSR would push FR and leave Greyhawk fallow. By the time Wizards came along and tried to make Greyhawk a thing (including finally at least using it as a setting in a video game) there just wasn't enough interest for them to work with - even internally IIRC Erik Mona was the only one who really evangelized for Greyhawk. [/QUOTE]
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