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Message: <blockquote data-quote="grimslade" data-source="post: 8693154" data-attributes="member: 6061">These numbers show that sales of D&D were slightly bigger than the 80's (post '84) but were spread across many many more products. Greyhawk was supported into 3.x with LG. There was a crazy amount of content of wildly differing quality produced for the setting. The one thing Greyhawk never had was a successful expanding novel franchise. The Justicar and Gord novels were hardly blockbusters. Forgotten Realms dominated the fantasy space in bookstores and video games for a decade and a half. Dragonlance was more valuable as a fiction IP than a TTRPG. Greyhawk had the classic modules and the names.The reason people clamor for Dark Sun, Spelljammer, and Ravenloft is that they are large departures from the traditional Western fantasy space. People didn't play a ton of the settings, but they referenced them a whole lot. Dark Sun halflings, nautiloids, and Dark taints all trickled into 'regular' games. And the ads. People might not have shelled out $25 for a box set but anytime they picked up a Dragon or Dungeon there were full-page ads with this phenomenal art. It was easily recognizable. Brom for DS. DiTerlizzi for Planescape. It resonates much farther than mechanics. I think the scale that we see for these TSR sales is so far removed from where D&D is today. WotC titles are not seeing sub 60k sold for the life of the product. D&D 5e is so far removed from the tiny niche product of its history. We have Amazon sales charts to get a glimpse and I can guarantee there are no warehouses of moldering VRGtR hiding in Renton. This doesn't mean that Spelljammer will be a success. It does mean that WotC can push boundaries a bit further and leverage that bit of nostalgia and the promise of 'Spelljammer Confirmed!' Wild beyond the Witch Light was a pretty big departure for WotC and it seems to be a very successful one. We will see what SJ does. I hope it does well and allows WotC to be less conservative with the game.</blockquote>

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