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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMMichael" data-source="post: 9560509" data-attributes="member: 6685730">The thing is, darkness should be the name of the game in dungeon-crawling.  The only darker thing should be cave-crawling, but who goes cave-crawling?  Anyway, those are all good vision-obstructing examples, but they can, and should, happen anywhere.  Above ground.  Giving everyone darkvision just raises all dungeons above ground, during daylight.  Or it makes them into Skyrim dungeons, where there is darkness, but it's still pretty bright.  I modded that away a long time ago.Hmm... maybe I should add super narrow vision to the poll.  It might also ruin dungeon crawling...Could be.  But it's interesting, since the two-with-Disadvantage are effectively rolling four rolls and not taking the lowest.  The single roller takes the lowest and the highest, since they're the same roll.</blockquote>