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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shardstone" data-source="post: 9560525" data-attributes="member: 6807784">I think we have different schema for dungeon-crawling. I see cave-crawling as a variation within the same dungeon genre. For example, while Veins of the Earth presents a fabulous bespoke system for cave-crawling, that same system works just as good for dungeon crawling. But if you consider those two things seperate, I imagine that you probably have a very firm idea of what a dungeon is, and what gameplay in a dungeon is like.That's normal and fine, but to me, who has a different schema of dungeon-crawling, darkvision isn't a big deal. In Elden Ring, most dungeons are suitably lit with torches of ghostflame -- this pale blue-white fire that occurs when your burn the dead in the setting. Enemies are camoflauged throughout the environment, essentially different types of gargoyles and undead. There are a lot of jumpscares because as you're playing, you don't know what's around the corner, you can't see clearly into rooms due to the architecture, and enemies are blended into the environment. So, you never quite know what's going on in a room until you enter it or unless you are clever and cautious in investigating it. You also can't fast-travel out of dungeons nor rest, so you have to manage your resources -- arrows, pots, HP + mana, etc -- as you scale deep into these eerie dungeons where death and danger lurk around every corner.But there isn't a lot of darkness. There's darkness in chasms, or beneath elevators, but that darkness is deep space that you'll die if you go into and that darkvision wouldn't be able to fully penetrate anyhow. But the hallways, the rooms, there is ghostflame everywhere, and it makes the whole environment feel so creepy. Like you've entered a world where Death is king, and you need to get out. The key take away here is that you can achieve the same effect as darkness by using architecture and ruin as well as eerie setting elements (making things feel wrong, like ghostflame vs normal flame). But if your schema of a dungeon is a dark, dank place, you aren't WRONG about darkvision ruining dungeon-crawling -- because for the dungeons you create and run, it does. But in my dungeons, because of my tastes and schemas, it doesn't.</blockquote>

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