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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9560592" data-attributes="member: 23751">They are blind to everything until they see it, which they do with disadvantage.They aren't, though.  If you and I stand side by side looking at the same area of forest for game to hunt, you might see the rabbit and I might not, because we are both rolling separately.  I did not help you see the rabbit in the slightest. My looking at that area of forest didn't help you even one iota.It's not possible for me to aid you in your vision to see something neither of us have seen.  It doesn't matter if we are close or far, looking at the same place or different places, looking for the same thing or different things.  We each use our own eyes and nothing more to see with.Now, if you see the rabbit and I don't, you can help me see it by saying something like, "It's two trees left of the rock down by the roots." to help me focus in on it.  That's not what is happening with perception checks in the dark with darkvision, though.  Nobody has seen anything yet and everyone is making their individual rolls, since it's not possible to help another person just. generally see better.The rule is that it needs to be doable.  If all you have is, "You can do it!  You can see the bestest!" you aren't going to be giving them advantage.You can posit that all you like, but it simply won't be true for visual only checks like I stated with the ring example upthread.  There's nothing to hear.  Nothing to smell.  Nothing to touch when you are looking at the desk. And nothing to taste.  Traps are the same.  The overwhelming majority of the time, the other senses won't play into it.  You rely on vision to find traps.</blockquote>

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