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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9561229" data-attributes="member: 23751">I don't understand your argument that some guy over there searching by himself somehow helps you with advantage just because you are both searching and you want advantage. That kind of independent help is his own independent roll.&nbsp; He doesn't suddenly become an invalid who can't find anything just because you want to do better.&nbsp; Two people searching is better because twice the eyes getting twice the rolls, not because you are somehow using his eyes as your own.&nbsp; He isn't helping you do better.&nbsp; He is helping you out by also searching and getting a roll.And yes, I agree that the argument that you get to use his eyes as your own is weird.&nbsp; To get an idea of the help another process.&nbsp; Let's say you want to build a raft and need help.&nbsp; It would be hard for you to position the logs all by yourself, so the bard grabs one end and makes it easier(advantage) for you to build the raft.&nbsp; He is helping you at your direction to build the raft.Perception doesn't work that way.&nbsp; Neither of you is direction the other.&nbsp; There is no interactive help going on.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9561229, member: 23751"] I don't understand your argument that some guy over there searching by himself somehow helps you with advantage just because you are both searching and you want advantage. That kind of independent help is his own independent roll. He doesn't suddenly become an invalid who can't find anything just because you want to do better. Two people searching is better because twice the eyes getting twice the rolls, not because you are somehow using his eyes as your own. He isn't helping you do better. He is helping you out by also searching and getting a roll. And yes, I agree that the argument that you get to use his eyes as your own is weird. To get an idea of the help another process. Let's say you want to build a raft and need help. It would be hard for you to position the logs all by yourself, so the bard grabs one end and makes it easier(advantage) for you to build the raft. He is helping you at your direction to build the raft. Perception doesn't work that way. Neither of you is direction the other. There is no interactive help going on. [/QUOTE]

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