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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2236721" data-attributes="member: 2011">You are equating "a shadow" to "Shadowy Illumination".The first is not a game mechanic. The second is.If HiPS was written "Hide in Plain Sight (Su): A shadowdancer can use the Hide skill even while being observed. As long as she is within 10 feet of shadowy illumination, a shadowdancer can hide herself from view in the open without anything to actually hide behind. She cannot, however, hide in the shadowy illumination of her own shadow.", then I would agree with you.I think the "can HiPS next to the color green" is a good example. It does not matter if the viewer can see the green or not, it is merely important that the color green be there.Let's take a different example:PC1 is holding a lit torch in front of him (not above his head) and is walking in a very large totally dark cave.PC2 is walking 5 feet behind PC1.PC2 is in PC1's shadow.PC2 is not in shadowy illumination (at least according to most DMs) and would not get a concealment miss chance if a goblin fired an arrow at him from the darkness over 200 feet away.In order for you to rule that Shadow = Shadowy Illumination, you would have to give PC2 a concealment miss chance in this circumstance. I know of no DMs who do that in their game (i.e. keep track of light sources and whether PCs are standing in the shadows of other PCs).</blockquote>