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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheEvil" data-source="post: 2240044" data-attributes="member: 23261">Given my comments about answering my questions, it is only fair I answer yours.  Yes, that sounds right to me.  He would have to approach from the opposite side as the light source, but otherwise that is how it would work and I have absolutely no problem with that.  Neither has either GM I have played a Shadowdance with.Your primary problem seems to be a preception that HiPS is overpowered.  With as many things as reduce it's usefulness, such as scent, blindsense/sight, glitterdust, etc..., I feel that it isn't.  By 10th level, characters can do some pretty impressive things.  A sorcerer could have invisiblity going virtually any time it matters.  All HiPS really does is make someone really good at sneaking and more able to match damage with a spell caster or a fighter who goes toe to toe.</blockquote>