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<blockquote data-quote="Slaved" data-source="post: 3794497" data-attributes="member: 43358">But not being able to see something because it is hidden partially behind something else, such as encounter distance based on terrain, is perfectly in the rules!Reading something at a distance however, is not mentioned. In fact, I quoted a rules bit which says that spot and reading are different things!How do you reconcile that??I am a-ok with saying that the rules have holes in them, because they do. But to say that it is a rule because it is not stated seems very bad to me!&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!&nbsp; &nbsp; :eek:"&nbsp; data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> Where does it say the maximum distance a character can see with no obstacles in the way????????That no spot check can succeed? We know what the penalties to spot are, but what is the difficulty class that we are trying to hit? Is it set by a hide check? If so, then for a creature who cannot hide because there is nothing nearby then ANY spot check would either be considered to be automatic success or automatic failure since the target number is a -!If we use something else what is it? Where is it defined??The curvature of the planet, if the world being adventured on was something like a globe, would block line of sight itself because it is a solid object.I am not saying that it makes sense to be able to see something at 50 feet as well as you can see something at 500 feet, I am simply saying that the rules are silent on the issue from what I can tell!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Slaved, post: 3794497, member: 43358"] But not being able to see something because it is hidden partially behind something else, such as encounter distance based on terrain, is perfectly in the rules! Reading something at a distance however, is not mentioned. In fact, I quoted a rules bit which says that spot and reading are different things! How do you reconcile that?? I am a-ok with saying that the rules have holes in them, because they do. But to say that it is a rule because it is not stated seems very bad to me! :eek: Where does it say the maximum distance a character can see with no obstacles in the way???????? That no spot check can succeed? We know what the penalties to spot are, but what is the difficulty class that we are trying to hit? Is it set by a hide check? If so, then for a creature who cannot hide because there is nothing nearby then ANY spot check would either be considered to be automatic success or automatic failure since the target number is a -! If we use something else what is it? Where is it defined?? The curvature of the planet, if the world being adventured on was something like a globe, would block line of sight itself because it is a solid object. I am not saying that it makes sense to be able to see something at 50 feet as well as you can see something at 500 feet, I am simply saying that the rules are silent on the issue from what I can tell! [/QUOTE]

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