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<blockquote data-quote="Slaved" data-source="post: 3804126" data-attributes="member: 43358">This seems very illogical.First it starts off with saying that others are advocating not using spot to see distant things.Next you say that you are only talking about using spot for hiding things or encounters.After that you make up a question that does not look connected to any point that you were trying to contend with.Along with that it looks like you still have not actually quoted the sources you are supposedly using and you seem to have changed your stance that was given at the beginning without a post about it, unless I missed a post somewhere.In total it looks very disjointed.From earlierI am still waiting to see where in the rules it says what these set difficulty classes are for seeing objects that are far away but are not hiding nor hidden. I have looked at the spot skill and at page 22 in the dungeon masters guide, neither say what you have implied that they said.Without the very important link you are trying to make, namely that sight has a fixed range, there is no reason to believe that darkvision gains any good benefit from a telescope. We know that darkvision goes a maximum preset specific distance before it simply does not work, regular sight does not have such a limitation. Although even if it did that still would not prove that darkvision range would be doubled through a telescope. The logic countering that stance has been shown a few times.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Slaved, post: 3804126, member: 43358"] This seems very illogical. First it starts off with saying that others are advocating not using spot to see distant things. Next you say that you are only talking about using spot for hiding things or encounters. After that you make up a question that does not look connected to any point that you were trying to contend with. Along with that it looks like you still have not actually quoted the sources you are supposedly using and you seem to have changed your stance that was given at the beginning without a post about it, unless I missed a post somewhere. In total it looks very disjointed. From earlier I am still waiting to see where in the rules it says what these set difficulty classes are for seeing objects that are far away but are not hiding nor hidden. I have looked at the spot skill and at page 22 in the dungeon masters guide, neither say what you have implied that they said. Without the very important link you are trying to make, namely that sight has a fixed range, there is no reason to believe that darkvision gains any good benefit from a telescope. We know that darkvision goes a maximum preset specific distance before it simply does not work, regular sight does not have such a limitation. Although even if it did that still would not prove that darkvision range would be doubled through a telescope. The logic countering that stance has been shown a few times. [/QUOTE]

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