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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 3807869" data-attributes="member: 2525">I hope the aggression can be toned down a bit in this debate.Here is the link to one of the responses I offered to your question:<a href="http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php?p=3799138&amp;postcount=56" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php?p=3799138&amp;postcount=56</a>and here is a repeat of the relevant portion:Here is again the spot rule:As for the DC itself, like almost all DCs for skill checks, it's determined by the DM based on the circumstances.&nbsp; Here is the DC chart for skills, from Page 63 and 64 of the PHB, The very first check is &quot;Notice something large in plain sight&quot; and it uses a Spot Check with a DC of 0, which should leave no remaining question that there are DCs for spot checks of things that are not hidden and in plain sight.&nbsp; That DC is 0, but per the spot rules it would be reduced by -1 for each 10 feet (and further if the spotter is distracted).&nbsp; It would get easier (as implied by &quot;large&quot; in the DC check description) if the thing you are spotting gets very large, and harder if it gets smaller, and that would involved a circumstance modifier depending on the size.&nbsp; But regardless, at some point you will not hit that (possibly modified) DC 0 spot check if it is too distant, because of the spot modifiers.&nbsp; Hence, for all characters, there is a maximum distance they can see things using normal vision (just like there is a maximum distance you can see things using darkvision).When it is light out, the max distance a human with no ranks or bonuses in spot can notice something large in plain sight is 200 feet (natural 20 rolled, -20 for distance).&nbsp; On average however, with a roll of a 10, they will only notice things out to 100 feet. When it is dark out, the max distance a drow (120 foot darkvision) with no ranks or bonuses in spot can notice something large in plain sight is 120 feet (a spot check of 12 or better, -12 for distance). On average however, with a roll of a 10, they will only notice things out to 100 feet. Now, to see what effect the spy glass has, we just need to decide what &quot;Objects viewed through a spyglass are magnified to twice their size&quot; does for these distances, if anything.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 3807869, member: 2525"] I hope the aggression can be toned down a bit in this debate. Here is the link to one of the responses I offered to your question: [url]http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php?p=3799138&postcount=56[/url] and here is a repeat of the relevant portion: Here is again the spot rule: As for the DC itself, like almost all DCs for skill checks, it's determined by the DM based on the circumstances. Here is the DC chart for skills, from Page 63 and 64 of the PHB, The very first check is [b]"Notice something large in plain sight"[/b] and it uses a [b]Spot Check with a DC of 0[/b], which should leave no remaining question that there are DCs for spot checks of things that are not hidden and in plain sight. That DC is 0, but per the spot rules it would be reduced by -1 for each 10 feet (and further if the spotter is distracted). It would get easier (as implied by "large" in the DC check description) if the thing you are spotting gets very large, and harder if it gets smaller, and that would involved a circumstance modifier depending on the size. But regardless, at some point you will not hit that (possibly modified) DC 0 spot check if it is too distant, because of the spot modifiers. Hence, for all characters, there is a maximum distance they can see things using normal vision (just like there is a maximum distance you can see things using darkvision). When it is light out, the max distance a human with no ranks or bonuses in spot can notice something large in plain sight is 200 feet (natural 20 rolled, -20 for distance). On average however, with a roll of a 10, they will only notice things out to 100 feet. When it is dark out, the max distance a drow (120 foot darkvision) with no ranks or bonuses in spot can notice something large in plain sight is 120 feet (a spot check of 12 or better, -12 for distance). On average however, with a roll of a 10, they will only notice things out to 100 feet. Now, to see what effect the spy glass has, we just need to decide what "Objects viewed through a spyglass are magnified to twice their size" does for these distances, if anything. [/QUOTE]

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