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<blockquote data-quote="Branduil" data-source="post: 3809823" data-attributes="member: 11617">Notice that the PHB chart does not specify a distance for the check to notice a large object in plain sight. It's deliberately vague, because the distance is irrelevant. It's merely saying that, unless you're basically blind, you cane see large objects in plain sight. Noticing the moon on a cloudless night would be a DC 0 spot check. Now you are the one making up straw men. I never said anything about spotting an ant. The only point I've been trying to make is there is no such thing as an absolute limit to normal sight, so to try and compare it to Darkvision in that aspect is wrong, and a Telescope can no more extend the range of Darkvision than it can make Darkvision technicolor. Frankly the Spot skill is a red herring to this discussion. There are only two important factors:1)There is no absolute limit to normal vision.2)There is an absolute limit to Darkvision.We can therefore decisively state that Darkvision is NOT like normal vision in this respect.Furthermore, telescopes do not work by extending your range of vision, as that is a meaningless concept for normal vision. They merely make things twice as large, and thus easier to see. Therefore, telescopes cannot extend the range of Darkvision; that's not how telescopes work. I guess you could see the nothingness past 60 feet twice as large.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Branduil, post: 3809823, member: 11617"] Notice that the PHB chart does not specify a distance for the check to notice a large object in plain sight. It's deliberately vague, because the distance is irrelevant. It's merely saying that, unless you're basically blind, you cane see large objects in plain sight. Noticing the moon on a cloudless night would be a DC 0 spot check. Now you are the one making up straw men. I never said anything about spotting an ant. The only point I've been trying to make is there is no such thing as an absolute limit to normal sight, so to try and compare it to Darkvision in that aspect is wrong, and a Telescope can no more extend the range of Darkvision than it can make Darkvision technicolor. Frankly the Spot skill is a red herring to this discussion. There are only two important factors: 1)There is no absolute limit to normal vision. 2)There is an absolute limit to Darkvision. We can therefore decisively state that Darkvision is NOT like normal vision in this respect. Furthermore, telescopes do not work by extending your range of vision, as that is a meaningless concept for normal vision. They merely make things twice as large, and thus easier to see. Therefore, telescopes cannot extend the range of Darkvision; that's not how telescopes work. I guess you could see the nothingness past 60 feet twice as large. [/QUOTE]

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