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<blockquote data-quote="Branduil" data-source="post: 3809952" data-attributes="member: 11617">Distance is irrelevant if the object is large relative to your viewpoint and in plain sight. That's why it's DC 0.What if I wanted to make a check for the PCs to notice something like the moon changing color because it's a cursed night, or something similar? By your interpretation it is impossible.No, unless it is a large dire ant or something. It is a strawman because you're making up a ridiculous example instead of addressing my claim, which is that you can see relatively large things at any distance.You have not shown that Spot can only be used for encounters. What if I want to know if any of the PCs notice a glow on the night horizon from a town several miles away that's being burned and sacked by goblin raiders?Give me book and page number where they ever mention anything about an absolute range limit to normal vision. Distance modifiers are countered by size modifiers.I disagree in that I do not think it is reasonable to interpret the rules in such a way that results in it being impossible for PCs to notice a burning town miles way or the moon changing color slightly. Distance modifiers are always countered by size modifiers, so there's no such thing as an absolute limit to normal vision.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Branduil, post: 3809952, member: 11617"] Distance is irrelevant if the object is large relative to your viewpoint and in plain sight. That's why it's DC 0. What if I wanted to make a check for the PCs to notice something like the moon changing color because it's a cursed night, or something similar? By your interpretation it is impossible. No, unless it is a large dire ant or something. It is a strawman because you're making up a ridiculous example instead of addressing my claim, which is that you can see relatively large things at any distance. You have not shown that Spot can only be used for encounters. What if I want to know if any of the PCs notice a glow on the night horizon from a town several miles away that's being burned and sacked by goblin raiders? Give me book and page number where they ever mention anything about an absolute range limit to normal vision. Distance modifiers are countered by size modifiers. I disagree in that I do not think it is reasonable to interpret the rules in such a way that results in it being impossible for PCs to notice a burning town miles way or the moon changing color slightly. Distance modifiers are always countered by size modifiers, so there's no such thing as an absolute limit to normal vision. [/QUOTE]

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