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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 3812238" data-attributes="member: 2525">I was responding to &quot;only depends on one variable - your Darkvision range.&quot; with &quot;no it doesn't&quot;.&nbsp; As in &quot;No, it does not depend on one variable, but instead depends on a lot of variables&quot;.It has bearing if in your game a spy glass would extend the maximum normal vision range of a creature, in my opinion.&nbsp; I believe that, if you would extend the maximum range of normal vision with a spy glass, then because darkvision is supposed to be treating exactly like normal vision except for color, you should give the same treatment to darkvision and extend it's maximum range.&nbsp; And it doesn't matter what the source of those maximum ranges might be, whether it is a fixed number or a variable number or based on a skill check or a racial ability or whatever.I disagree.&nbsp; It's variable based on the size of the object/creature you are trying to view, your spot check which is directly influenced by your race, the distance of that object/creature, the terrain, the lighting, and circumstantial modifiers such as fog or your prior knowledge of the location of the creature/object relative to you.&nbsp; There are a lot of variables.Ooo orthogonal! I have not used that word since math classes in high school.I understand your view of the rules is that it would extend the range of normal vision but not darkvision, and I disagree for the reasons I just gave.&nbsp; Darkvision should be treated just like normal vision, except for color.&nbsp; Yes, darkvision has a maximum range.&nbsp; But so what? Normal vision does as well (variable as that limit might be), and both are impacted by a variety of modifiers.&nbsp; So if your human character at day can normally notice something at 200 feet, but can notice things at 400 feet with a spy glass, then I think your drow character at night that can normally notice something at 120 feet with darkvision can instead see 240 feat with a spy glass.&nbsp; That would be a more consistent reading of the rules in my opinion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 3812238, member: 2525"] I was responding to "only depends on one variable - your Darkvision range." with "no it doesn't". As in "No, it does not depend on one variable, but instead depends on a lot of variables". It has bearing if in your game a spy glass would extend the maximum normal vision range of a creature, in my opinion. I believe that, if you would extend the maximum range of normal vision with a spy glass, then because darkvision is supposed to be treating exactly like normal vision except for color, you should give the same treatment to darkvision and extend it's maximum range. And it doesn't matter what the source of those maximum ranges might be, whether it is a fixed number or a variable number or based on a skill check or a racial ability or whatever. I disagree. It's variable based on the size of the object/creature you are trying to view, your spot check which is directly influenced by your race, the distance of that object/creature, the terrain, the lighting, and circumstantial modifiers such as fog or your prior knowledge of the location of the creature/object relative to you. There are a lot of variables. Ooo orthogonal! I have not used that word since math classes in high school. I understand your view of the rules is that it would extend the range of normal vision but not darkvision, and I disagree for the reasons I just gave. Darkvision should be treated just like normal vision, except for color. Yes, darkvision has a maximum range. But so what? Normal vision does as well (variable as that limit might be), and both are impacted by a variety of modifiers. So if your human character at day can normally notice something at 200 feet, but can notice things at 400 feet with a spy glass, then I think your drow character at night that can normally notice something at 120 feet with darkvision can instead see 240 feat with a spy glass. That would be a more consistent reading of the rules in my opinion. [/QUOTE]

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