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<blockquote data-quote="Branduil" data-source="post: 3812404" data-attributes="member: 11617">Actually, if they can be modified, they are no longer a maximum range. A character could receive a wide variety of bonuses or penalties to spot depending on circumstances. A DM could someone a +20 circumstance bonus to notice someone 200 feet away out in the open, waving a red flag. Or they could give them a -5 penalty if they're staring at a book in their hands. It does grave injury to the concept of &quot;maximum range&quot; to call something that can vary wildly depending on each circumstance a &quot;maximum range.&quot; To be more precise, Darkvision has a FIXED maximum range. It can not be more than it is based on circumstance. Even if an opponent was on fire, waving a red flag and dancing, if he was 61 feet away, a character with 60 ft Darkvision could not see him. That is the clear difference between Darkvision and normal vision. I really think you can only compare them if you twist language until it's meaningless. A maximum range is a maximum range. It is one number and it applies to everything concerning that type of vision. Regular vision does not have one maximum range that cannot be extended based on circumstances and that you cannot see anything beyond.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Branduil, post: 3812404, member: 11617"] Actually, if they can be modified, they are no longer a maximum range. A character could receive a wide variety of bonuses or penalties to spot depending on circumstances. A DM could someone a +20 circumstance bonus to notice someone 200 feet away out in the open, waving a red flag. Or they could give them a -5 penalty if they're staring at a book in their hands. It does grave injury to the concept of "maximum range" to call something that can vary wildly depending on each circumstance a "maximum range." To be more precise, Darkvision has a FIXED maximum range. It can not be more than it is based on circumstance. Even if an opponent was on fire, waving a red flag and dancing, if he was 61 feet away, a character with 60 ft Darkvision could not see him. That is the clear difference between Darkvision and normal vision. I really think you can only compare them if you twist language until it's meaningless. A maximum range is a maximum range. It is one number and it applies to everything concerning that type of vision. Regular vision does not have one maximum range that cannot be extended based on circumstances and that you cannot see anything beyond. [/QUOTE]

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