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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 3812515" data-attributes="member: 2525">For that event, it is a maximum range.&nbsp; I think you mean it's not an absolute range.&nbsp; But it certainly is a maximum range at that moment.&nbsp; At the point where the negative modifier exceed your best possible modified roll, you have gone beyond your maximum range.By the way, there are things that extend darkvision's range as well.&nbsp; Does that mean it doesn't have a maximum range because things can modify it's range?I don't think anyone is decrying that grave injury.&nbsp; Maximum range for an event doesn't mean absolute range for all time.&nbsp; The maximum range my vehicle can travel on a half a tank of gas is 175 miles.&nbsp; Give me another gallon of gas however and my maximum range extends.&nbsp; Give my vehicle a hybrid engine and it extends even moree.&nbsp; You can have a maximum range that can be modified.&nbsp; It's not an absolute limit like the speed of light, just a maximum range given that event.Unless you use a spy glass <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Or unless you cast a spell, use a magic item, take a prestige class that has an ability to extend darkvision, or any of the other things that change darkvisions range.And again, just because circumstance modifiers apply to spot and not to darkvision, it doesn't mean spot suddenly doesn't have a maximum range for any given event. But he could.&nbsp; He's on fire.&nbsp; That's a light source, and normal vision kicks in. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Until it is changed by something.&nbsp; Maximum /= absolute.&nbsp; Neither normal vision nor darkvision have an absolute range.&nbsp; Both can be modified by various things in the game to extend their range.&nbsp; I feel a spy glass may be one of them, depending on your interpretation. Who cares if it has more than one maximum range? If in any given event you have a maximum range, then they should be treated equally for that event, because they are supposed to be treated equally (except for color).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 3812515, member: 2525"] For that event, it is a maximum range. I think you mean it's not an absolute range. But it certainly is a maximum range at that moment. At the point where the negative modifier exceed your best possible modified roll, you have gone beyond your maximum range. By the way, there are things that extend darkvision's range as well. Does that mean it doesn't have a maximum range because things can modify it's range? I don't think anyone is decrying that grave injury. Maximum range for an event doesn't mean absolute range for all time. The maximum range my vehicle can travel on a half a tank of gas is 175 miles. Give me another gallon of gas however and my maximum range extends. Give my vehicle a hybrid engine and it extends even moree. You can have a maximum range that can be modified. It's not an absolute limit like the speed of light, just a maximum range given that event. Unless you use a spy glass :) Or unless you cast a spell, use a magic item, take a prestige class that has an ability to extend darkvision, or any of the other things that change darkvisions range. And again, just because circumstance modifiers apply to spot and not to darkvision, it doesn't mean spot suddenly doesn't have a maximum range for any given event. But he could. He's on fire. That's a light source, and normal vision kicks in. :) Until it is changed by something. Maximum /= absolute. Neither normal vision nor darkvision have an absolute range. Both can be modified by various things in the game to extend their range. I feel a spy glass may be one of them, depending on your interpretation. Who cares if it has more than one maximum range? If in any given event you have a maximum range, then they should be treated equally for that event, because they are supposed to be treated equally (except for color). [/QUOTE]

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