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<blockquote data-quote="Branduil" data-source="post: 3812816" data-attributes="member: 11617">Magnification does what it does in real life. It makes things appear larger.We don't know that. Sure, you can make anything complicated if you try to redefine what common sense definitions mean, but there's no need to do that.Who said anything about encounters? There is no maximum range to vision. My character can see stars billions of light years away. Vision encompasses all aspects of seeing, not just encounters.But I can, unless you tell me I can't see the stars.Quite honestly, I would walk out of a game where the DM told me I could no longer see an opponent just because he moved 10 feet back, without hiding behind cover. Surely you can see the ludicrousness of following such an interpretation of the rules to the letter? I think the spot rules are deliberately vague on what kind of bonuses can be applied to spot because the designers realized following the rules to the letter would result in inane situations like this one.Because this is exactly the kind of rules lawyering I can't stand. It's the same kind of logic that leads to things like the bag of rats trick- ignoring logic in favor of mechanical benefits. You can argue that it's technically correct according to the rules, but only a poor DM would allow such nonsense.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Branduil, post: 3812816, member: 11617"] Magnification does what it does in real life. It makes things appear larger. We don't know that. Sure, you [i]can[/i] make anything complicated if you try to redefine what common sense definitions mean, but there's no need to do that. Who said anything about encounters? There is no maximum range to vision. My character can see stars billions of light years away. Vision encompasses all aspects of seeing, not just encounters. But I can, unless you tell me I can't see the stars. Quite honestly, I would walk out of a game where the DM told me I could no longer see an opponent just because he moved 10 feet back, without hiding behind cover. Surely you can see the ludicrousness of following such an interpretation of the rules to the letter? I think the spot rules are deliberately vague on what kind of bonuses can be applied to spot because the designers realized following the rules to the letter would result in inane situations like this one. Because this is exactly the kind of rules lawyering I can't stand. It's the same kind of logic that leads to things like the bag of rats trick- ignoring logic in favor of mechanical benefits. You can argue that it's technically correct according to the rules, but only a poor DM would allow such nonsense. [/QUOTE]

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