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<blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 3821537" data-attributes="member: 20805">Mistwell, &nbsp;I think the what Jhulae is saying is that darkvision has an absolute maximum limit that can not be modified. Sure, the spot rules may preclude spotting someone at a shorter distance, but the absolute maximum, as listed in the race/feat/item is not exceeded. Therefore no doubling the range through the use of a normal spyglass.You apparently see the darkvision absolute maximum range as something that can be modified, and you point to the normal vision rules under the Spot skill as evidence.However, normal vision does not have an absolute maximum limit listed in the race/feat/item that provides it. Darkvision does.Yes, I agree this is silly game design. All visions should work on the same concept and use visual ranges {or some similar mechanic} instead of dropping a wall at 60 feet...and yes, longer threads tend to lead to the same disagreement.. specfically when the disagreement rises from a definition difference that neither party thinks to clarify. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Primitive Screwhead, post: 3821537, member: 20805"] Mistwell, I think the what Jhulae is saying is that darkvision has an absolute maximum limit that can not be modified. Sure, the spot rules may preclude spotting someone at a shorter distance, but the absolute maximum, as listed in the race/feat/item is not exceeded. Therefore no doubling the range through the use of a normal spyglass. You apparently see the darkvision absolute maximum range as something that can be modified, and you point to the normal vision rules under the Spot skill as evidence. However, normal vision does not have an absolute maximum limit listed in the race/feat/item that provides it. Darkvision does. Yes, I agree this is silly game design. All visions should work on the same concept and use visual ranges {or some similar mechanic} instead of dropping a wall at 60 feet... and yes, longer threads tend to lead to the same disagreement.. specfically when the disagreement rises from a definition difference that neither party thinks to clarify. :) [/QUOTE]

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