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<blockquote data-quote="Jhulae" data-source="post: 3821958" data-attributes="member: 16958">Again, you avoid part of the issue by noting that a Drow (in your example) might not notice something more than 100' away with a poor spot, yet don't provide your answer on the dwarf with the theoretic 1000 spot check...It doesn't matter at all what it would do for normal vision, because normal vision isn't limited to a specific range like darkvision is.However, I'll still play your game.As a DM, a spyglass would reduce the spot check by half.&nbsp; Therefore, even with your 'normal vision has a maximum range based on spot checks', the DC to see things is reduced by half, theoretically giving a human in the daytime 'double range' on his vision. A spyglass in the hands of a creature with darkvision will also reduce the DC of their spot checks by half.&nbsp; Out to the limit, as provided in the rules, for their darkvision.&nbsp; 60' for most creatures, 120' for races such as Drow, even longer for things like dragons should they use it.&nbsp; But, again, only to the inviolable limit of Darkvision for that race.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jhulae, post: 3821958, member: 16958"] Again, you avoid part of the issue by noting that a Drow (in your example) might not notice something more than 100' away with a poor spot, yet don't provide your answer on the dwarf with the theoretic 1000 spot check... It doesn't matter [b]at all[/b] what it would do for normal vision, because normal vision isn't limited to a [b]specific range[/b] like darkvision is. However, I'll still play your game. As a DM, a spyglass would reduce the spot check by half. Therefore, even with your 'normal vision has a maximum range based on spot checks', the DC to see things is reduced by half, theoretically giving a human in the daytime 'double range' on his vision. A spyglass in the hands of a creature with darkvision will also reduce the DC of their spot checks by half. Out to the limit, as provided in the rules, for their darkvision. 60' for most creatures, 120' for races such as Drow, even longer for things like dragons should they use it. But, again, only to the inviolable limit of Darkvision for that race. [/QUOTE]

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