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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Moorcrys" data-source="post: 3661235" data-attributes="member: 7814">Vader didn't kill on a whim... he killed underlings who failed him, and he killed rebels who defied him. He never went out of his way to kill innocent people that were inconvenient or off the cuff (as Voldemort in the Potter series did, often). When he was angry, he didn't lash out at people randomly -- he killed those who were responsible for failure and moved on. Seems like a classic example of someone clearing out the ranks of incompetents so that more able people down the heirarchy chain can move up. Sure he altered the bargain on cloud city with Lando, but why was their a bargain at all? Why did he allow the operation continue in any case and presume to let Lando keep running it as long as he did as he was told? Because it was useful to the Empire, not to Vader personally. Once he had Solo and the others, why didn't he just shut the place down or kill them all, or any of them? Luke would have come anyway, he only needed one alive really... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  He doesn't seem like someone who got off on random violence and bullying the weak... he had a purpose and worked within an established system to fulfill that purpose. Any deviation or failure to help him achieve what he needed to achieve brought on threats and death. And Vader had no problem leaving the chase in the asteroid field when the Emperor wanted to speak with him... his emotions and individual desires weren't winning over in the heat of that chase, and really never won over in any other moment of the original trilogy until Luke's impending death by the Emperor moved him to save his son. He's even excited to turn his daughter over to the Emperor so that she can serve the Dark Side. Look at how he interacted with Admiral Piett in the original trilogy. He promoted him over an incompetent superior and though he threatened him, allowed him significant 'failures' and never killed him. Look at how he deals with the heroes escaping at the end of Empire... no raging or killing on the bridge of his star destroyer. Plan failed, but seeds sown. Move on to next plan. Very Lawful Evil if you ask me.I think one of the big themes Lucas was dealing with was the idea of machines versus man... Vader crossed the line from living, emotional person into a cold, calculating machine over the course of the prequel trilogy. So says Obi Wan... I'd go for an intentional lawful evil type, which doesn't mean of course he can't have chaotic moments. He's overwhelmingly a product of the Empire he helped to build... he's not above the law, he is the law.</blockquote>

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