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<blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 3662011" data-attributes="member: 3929"><p>Or I cut and paste according to which parts of your posts I was responding to in mine, and which parts of my posts you quoted.</p><p></p><p>I suppose it depends on the level of mustache twirling you'd like me to have.</p><p></p><p>And my name is Felix.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And not at all a reference to Lawful Evil and Chaotic Evil archetypes in D&D.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I would never classify Anakin's lash out at Padme as random. He did Evil to please and protect her. He believes he did Good (or at least that which was necessary). She rejects him because he killed younglings. He killed younglings for her. The jedi, Obi-Wan, told her the truth of what he did.</p><p></p><p>He attacks Padme because he believes she has betrayed him. He attacks Obi-Wan because he poisoned Padme's mind, the person he was willing to kill children for, against him.</p><p></p><p>Not random. Or perhaps you were looking for a different word?</p><p></p><p></p><p>A lawful act cannot be done due to, inspired by, empowered by emotions? Emotions are in and of themselves chaotic?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Baatezu betray one another all the time. So betrayal can easily be linked to Good-Evil instead of Law-Chaos.</p><p></p><p><strong>EDIT:</strong><em> Upon re-reading it, I see I mucked up a cut-and-paste. Fixed now.</em></p><p></p><p>So other than Vader's offer to Luke in Bespin to destroy the emperor and rule the galaxy as father and son, to what evidence would you point to show how Vader is merely "tolerating" Palpatine? Just because Vader tolerated Palpy is not a reason to claim he is Chaotic.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The same argument could be used to say that Judge Dredd is not Lawful. Put simply, Vader talks more about ruling the galaxy, establishing order, and judiciously punishing those who fail him (ie, not randomly) than he does go around sewing chaos. How is that not lawful?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Felix, post: 3662011, member: 3929"] Or I cut and paste according to which parts of your posts I was responding to in mine, and which parts of my posts you quoted. I suppose it depends on the level of mustache twirling you'd like me to have. And my name is Felix. And not at all a reference to Lawful Evil and Chaotic Evil archetypes in D&D. I would never classify Anakin's lash out at Padme as random. He did Evil to please and protect her. He believes he did Good (or at least that which was necessary). She rejects him because he killed younglings. He killed younglings for her. The jedi, Obi-Wan, told her the truth of what he did. He attacks Padme because he believes she has betrayed him. He attacks Obi-Wan because he poisoned Padme's mind, the person he was willing to kill children for, against him. Not random. Or perhaps you were looking for a different word? A lawful act cannot be done due to, inspired by, empowered by emotions? Emotions are in and of themselves chaotic? Baatezu betray one another all the time. So betrayal can easily be linked to Good-Evil instead of Law-Chaos. [b]EDIT:[/b][i] Upon re-reading it, I see I mucked up a cut-and-paste. Fixed now.[/i] So other than Vader's offer to Luke in Bespin to destroy the emperor and rule the galaxy as father and son, to what evidence would you point to show how Vader is merely "tolerating" Palpatine? Just because Vader tolerated Palpy is not a reason to claim he is Chaotic. The same argument could be used to say that Judge Dredd is not Lawful. Put simply, Vader talks more about ruling the galaxy, establishing order, and judiciously punishing those who fail him (ie, not randomly) than he does go around sewing chaos. How is that not lawful? [/QUOTE]
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