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Dave Arneson: Is He Underrated, or Overrated?
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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8743470" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>....uh, no. This is just not in accord with the historical evidence. And it is pretty well documented now.</p><p></p><p>First, you are incorrectly portraying Gygax as someone "forever keen to turn a dollar on his hobby" while Arneson is some, what, pure Gamer?</p><p></p><p>Not at all true. In fact, total bunk. Arneson tried over and over again to make money on the hobby- he just was terrible at it. He didn't want anything to do with D&D because he thought the money was in making figures - and then, when he saw the actual money TSR was making, both demanded royalties for all the products he could, while, at the same time, told everyone that it was a terrible product. He burned EVERYONE that he got into business with. The way he made money was by suing TSR and Gygax.</p><p></p><p>Next, as much as I appreciate Arneson as a creative force (especially w/r/t DMing), Gygax certainly didn't try and tie him in with co-authorship and royalties in order to avoid competition. That's so far from the historical truth that ... well, it's not correct. Gygax was offering other creators what he thought were the correct terms when he started TSR (which was supposed to publish a number of different rules)- as he learned, the imprecise wording of the terms ended up biting the company in the posterior.</p><p></p><p>Seriously, all of this has now been covered well in books. not sure why you feel the need to re-argue things incorrectly.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 8743470, member: 7023840"] ....uh, no. This is just not in accord with the historical evidence. And it is pretty well documented now. First, you are incorrectly portraying Gygax as someone "forever keen to turn a dollar on his hobby" while Arneson is some, what, pure Gamer? Not at all true. In fact, total bunk. Arneson tried over and over again to make money on the hobby- he just was terrible at it. He didn't want anything to do with D&D because he thought the money was in making figures - and then, when he saw the actual money TSR was making, both demanded royalties for all the products he could, while, at the same time, told everyone that it was a terrible product. He burned EVERYONE that he got into business with. The way he made money was by suing TSR and Gygax. Next, as much as I appreciate Arneson as a creative force (especially w/r/t DMing), Gygax certainly didn't try and tie him in with co-authorship and royalties in order to avoid competition. That's so far from the historical truth that ... well, it's not correct. Gygax was offering other creators what he thought were the correct terms when he started TSR (which was supposed to publish a number of different rules)- as he learned, the imprecise wording of the terms ended up biting the company in the posterior. Seriously, all of this has now been covered well in books. not sure why you feel the need to re-argue things incorrectly. [/QUOTE]
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