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Dave Arneson: Is He Underrated, or Overrated?
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<blockquote data-quote="Cadence" data-source="post: 9134551" data-attributes="member: 6701124"><p>So, Westerns...</p><p></p><p>It feels like the Golden age of Westerns had clearly ended by the end of 1976.</p><p>It seems like there was a noticeable bubble of it from, say, 1988 to 1994.</p><p></p><p>TV shows with 100+ episodes that ended in 70's include:</p><p></p><p>Gunsmoke 1955-1975</p><p>Bonanza 1959-1973</p><p>The Virginian 1962-1971</p><p>Daniel Boone 1964-1970</p><p>Death Valley Days 1952-1970</p><p></p><p>There were another 21 that had a 100+ episodes but ended in the 50s or 60s. I'm not counting Little House on the Prairie (1974-1983) as a Western.</p><p></p><p>There were still a TON of Western movies in the early 70s. See <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Western_films_of_the_1970s" target="_blank">List of Western films of the 1970s - Wikipedia</a> .</p><p></p><p>Of the top 100 Films of All Time (domestic gross, adjusted for Inflation), the westerns come in at #40 with Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid in 1969 and #56 Blazing Saddles in 1974.</p><p></p><p>John Wayne's last western (and last film) was The Shootist in 1976. It was also Jimmy Stewart's final western. Clint Eastwood's last serious Western until Pale Rider (in 1985) was Outlaw Jose Wales in 1976. He had the comedy Bronco Billy in 1980. Overall, it really did fall of a cliff pretty suddenly if you try to find any way to argue past 1976.</p><p></p><p>After that?</p><p></p><p>TV shows that hit at least 30 episodes and started after 1976 include...</p><p></p><p>Hell on Wheels 2011-2016</p><p>Deadwood 2004-2006</p><p>The Magnificent Seven 1998-2000</p><p>Dead Man's Gun 1997-1999</p><p>Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman 1993-1998 <-only one to break 100</p><p>Zorro 1990-1993</p><p>The Young Riders 1989-1992</p><p>Bordertown 1989-1991</p><p>Paradise 1988-1991</p><p>Father Murphy 1981-1983</p><p>The Life and Times of Grizzly Adams 1977-1978</p><p></p><p>The miniseries Lonesome Dove in 1989 was nominated for 19 Emmy Awards. A vaguely complete list of TV westerns is at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Western_television_series" target="_blank">List of Western television series - Wikipedia</a></p><p> </p><p>For movies after 1976 with approximate adjusted domestic over $100m:</p><p></p><p>The Magnificent Seven 2016 at $113m</p><p>The Lone Ranger 2013 at $116m</p><p>Django Unchained 2012 at $214m</p><p>True Grit 2010 at $228m</p><p>Maverick 1994 at $209m</p><p>Legends of the Fall 1994 at $137m</p><p>Tombstone 1993 at $120m</p><p>Unforgiven 1992 at $223m (Best Picture)</p><p>Dances with Wolves 1990 at $399m (#155 all time gross, Best Picture)</p><p>Young Guns II 1990 at $104</p><p>Young Guns 1988 at $114m</p><p>Pale Rider 1985 at $116m</p><p></p><p>The biggest market share year from 1995-2023 was 1995 with 8 films and 2.41%.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cadence, post: 9134551, member: 6701124"] So, Westerns... It feels like the Golden age of Westerns had clearly ended by the end of 1976. It seems like there was a noticeable bubble of it from, say, 1988 to 1994. TV shows with 100+ episodes that ended in 70's include: Gunsmoke 1955-1975 Bonanza 1959-1973 The Virginian 1962-1971 Daniel Boone 1964-1970 Death Valley Days 1952-1970 There were another 21 that had a 100+ episodes but ended in the 50s or 60s. I'm not counting Little House on the Prairie (1974-1983) as a Western. There were still a TON of Western movies in the early 70s. See [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Western_films_of_the_1970s']List of Western films of the 1970s - Wikipedia[/URL] . Of the top 100 Films of All Time (domestic gross, adjusted for Inflation), the westerns come in at #40 with Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid in 1969 and #56 Blazing Saddles in 1974. John Wayne's last western (and last film) was The Shootist in 1976. It was also Jimmy Stewart's final western. Clint Eastwood's last serious Western until Pale Rider (in 1985) was Outlaw Jose Wales in 1976. He had the comedy Bronco Billy in 1980. Overall, it really did fall of a cliff pretty suddenly if you try to find any way to argue past 1976. After that? TV shows that hit at least 30 episodes and started after 1976 include... Hell on Wheels 2011-2016 Deadwood 2004-2006 The Magnificent Seven 1998-2000 Dead Man's Gun 1997-1999 Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman 1993-1998 <-only one to break 100 Zorro 1990-1993 The Young Riders 1989-1992 Bordertown 1989-1991 Paradise 1988-1991 Father Murphy 1981-1983 The Life and Times of Grizzly Adams 1977-1978 The miniseries Lonesome Dove in 1989 was nominated for 19 Emmy Awards. A vaguely complete list of TV westerns is at [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Western_television_series']List of Western television series - Wikipedia[/URL] For movies after 1976 with approximate adjusted domestic over $100m: The Magnificent Seven 2016 at $113m The Lone Ranger 2013 at $116m Django Unchained 2012 at $214m True Grit 2010 at $228m Maverick 1994 at $209m Legends of the Fall 1994 at $137m Tombstone 1993 at $120m Unforgiven 1992 at $223m (Best Picture) Dances with Wolves 1990 at $399m (#155 all time gross, Best Picture) Young Guns II 1990 at $104 Young Guns 1988 at $114m Pale Rider 1985 at $116m The biggest market share year from 1995-2023 was 1995 with 8 films and 2.41%. [/QUOTE]
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