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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ShinHakkaider" data-source="post: 3755722" data-attributes="member: 9213">EXACTLY. I'm another one who's been listening to the podcasts from the jump, but after that last podcast announcing 4E, they've pretty much lost me. I still play 3.5 and I'm sorry I dont find it a hard game to run and the few problems I have with it I just adjust. that's what alot players and GM's do. 4E sounds less like a fix and more like, for the most part, a new system with just the minimum of the core D20 elements. For all that I might as well be playing another system. and then theres the constant sniping at 3.5 by the designers, how THIS is clunky or counter intuitive, how THAT doenst really work. It doesnt work in YOUR game maybe, but it works just fine in mine. Also, and here's the important part, Gamers are fickle allies. The same streamlined, cleaned up rules that you output for 4E that everyone here seems to be gushing and falling over themselves to fawn over are going to be derided and complained about in about a year after 4E's release. Some of these same people who are going to jump all over this post in defense of 4E are going to be the nitpickiest, pedantic critics of your design.There is no perfect game D00d. For me 3.5 and all of it's available resources are as close as it gets. It's customizable and malleable. So many different alternate mechanics for use with the type of game that you want to play. 4E will not be any better than 3.5, it'll just be different. Most of the people here who are head over heels for it will wind up STILL customizing it anyway. Different that's all, so yeah make your new game. WOTC is a company and needs to turn a profit, designers need to get paid. But dont pretend that 4E will be a better game for than 3.5, different? yeah. new? yeah. There's nothing wrong with that, but I'm willing to bet while the majority will switch over to 4E, at least half of that majority will be throwing stones at the new shiny by the end of the year. Just like with 3.0 and 3.5, just like with any other system out there. Personally I see things in 4E that I like and using the 4E SRD will probably use for my 3.5 game. We'll have to see. The way I see it though if there are going to be people blindly pushing 4E saying how great it is there are going to be people like me who are REALLY, REALLY leery of this new system. From the looks of it, WOTC isnt even trying to win over people like that and the rabid pro 4E fanbase has taken the attitude "if you dont like it go crawl into some place dark and DIE, you old fogey!!!" I'm in the process of learning about the game and so far I've seen more things that I dislike than like, but there are few things that I can see that are kinda cool. Not cool enough for me to buy the PHB when it comes out, but cool nonetheless.</blockquote>

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