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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 3756213" data-attributes="member: 18280">Clearly, someone had better tell Paizo, Necromancer Games, etc., that the only model that can make money with rpgs is regular new editions.&nbsp; Of course, if all Necromancer sold was revisions of Rappan Athuk, I imagine the customer base would dry up, and I believe that new editions that come out &quot;too soon&quot; (nebulous, I know) may well do the same thing.Obviously, I could be wrong.&nbsp; Time will tell.EDIT:&nbsp; What I think we are seeing here is clear evidence that a large part of the potential customer base doesn't believe that 4.0 will be a major improvement.&nbsp; If we all believed that 4.0 was going to be a much better game, then I imagine no one would be complaining.&nbsp; I'd happily shell out again for a game that was clearly superior.&nbsp; However, from the tidbits that they are dropping, and from some of the hype techniques being used, I don't believe that 4.0 is that animal.Yes, lots of DMs have come up with fixes to the problems they perceive.&nbsp; 4.0 has to be better than their fixes in order to succeed.&nbsp; Why would you fix one edition, crafting it to your needs, just so that you can start all over again?&nbsp; Coming up with houserules is (for some) fun.&nbsp; WotC should have given customers the chance to grow dissatisfied with their own fixes, stopped the stream of splatbooks, focused on adventures and other products that could be used with the new edition, and then announced 4e.&quot;Keep buying our 3.5 stuff, don't worry 4e is a long way off, guess what it's coming in May, but keep buying our 3.5 stuff....here's a Rules Compendium!&quot; simply does not win friends and influence people.At least, not IMHO.Again, time will tell.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 3756213, member: 18280"] Clearly, someone had better tell Paizo, Necromancer Games, etc., that the only model that can make money with rpgs is regular new editions. Of course, if all Necromancer sold was revisions of Rappan Athuk, I imagine the customer base would dry up, and I believe that new editions that come out "too soon" (nebulous, I know) may well do the same thing. Obviously, I could be wrong. Time will tell. EDIT: What I think we are seeing here is clear evidence that a large part of the potential customer base [i]doesn't believe that 4.0 will be a major improvement[/i]. If we all believed that 4.0 was going to be a much better game, then I imagine no one would be complaining. I'd happily shell out again for a game that was clearly superior. However, from the tidbits that they are dropping, and from some of the hype techniques being used, I don't believe that 4.0 is that animal. Yes, lots of DMs have come up with fixes to the problems they perceive. [i][b]4.0 has to be better than their fixes in order to succeed.[/b][/i][b][/b] Why would you fix one edition, crafting it to your needs, just so that you can start all over again? Coming up with houserules is (for some) fun. WotC should have given customers the chance to grow dissatisfied with their own fixes, stopped the stream of splatbooks, focused on adventures and other products that could be used with the new edition, and then announced 4e. "Keep buying our 3.5 stuff, don't worry 4e is a long way off, guess what it's coming in May, but keep buying our 3.5 stuff....here's a Rules Compendium!" simply does not win friends and influence people. At least, not IMHO. Again, time will tell. [/QUOTE]

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