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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Grompi" data-source="post: 1239230" data-attributes="member: 15403">I work two jobs and I just got married. Sue me. And, Wil, one can't be insulted without one's permission, because if there's nothing at fault to defend, there's no reason to be defensive.  What part of  "Let's see a few reasons why I feel that way:", which began all of the commentary I presented, is ambiguous? That means it's all my opinion and my interpretation, not some laundry list of facts about the book. My ignorant (if that's what they are) assertions about my feelings were a perfect opportunity for someone to tell us more about Dawnforge. Now you have, which is a win-win situation for everyone and it was one of my goals all along. Yes, a young world, I got that. I also got the fact that the world was not yet at the point of the "future" described in the sidebars. Unfortunately, since they're not clearly marked, I did get confused on a couple of points. For that I apologize. Now that I fully comprehend these snippets, they seem to be better ideas.Hundreds, I'd guess, if not thousands. But I'm not an archeologist or anthropologist, and your question is probably rhetorical anyway. There were certainly more than four. What I can say with some certaintly is that 10,000 years ago was not the beginning of human culture, though it may have been close to the start of recorded history and the advent of major ancient civilizations. The evolution of civilization seems to be what you're really talking about. Are we playing Sovereign Stone? No? Good. It would be better if you didn't defend your points with simplistic condescension.FR practically invented the drow as they now stand (mostly through the work of one man, RA Salvatore). Comparing its use of drow to just about any other work's is comparing apples to oranges. Further, almost every product in the marketplace that includes such creatures is derivative of Slavatore's work. Plot & Poison is about only drow, so its not a campaign setting and it fills a niche in bringing those creatures to the d20 marketplace in a manner that can be reused in OGL material. Again, apples and oranges. Something is always available for use, but that doesn't mean somebody should use it in published material.  The serpent people of Freeport did indeed have a jungle empire at one time (that is, the ancient history of the world in which they are now found). It was an equatorial (that is, "semi-tropical" per page 13 of Freeport: City of Adventure) "island", larger than many modern countries, called Valossa. To quote page 5 of Freeport: City of Adventure (emphasis mine), "...Valossa was the heart of the empire of the serpent people." The fact that they're not yuan-ti is irrelevant, and the comparison is "correct", as my statement was aimed at "serpent folk" in general, which are all derivative of older works in fantasy literature (like Conan novels).  More supercilious remarks. How wonderful. The direction of the "unexplored" continent has no relevance. The real question is, what's already there? If the answer to that is pretty much nothing but monsters, then why?Actually, I like legendary classes, and I favor the reprinting of needed rules. I accept your judgment of my statement and again apologize. Maybe I was just too far off my Prozac™ that day. So, the legendary classes in the book are all unique? No. You're wrong. It is an insult, and it's an ironic one, and therefore indirect. Therefore, it's a backhanded insult. Let's not argue over semantics though.  My opinion is uninformed by the reading and comprehension of the entirety of the Dawnforge book. My comments are only about the preview and my thankfulness that I was able to see it before I bought the book. To any who took my earlier comments, in which I mention that I'm only talking about my feelings on the preview and its relevance to my purchasing choices, to be in reference to the whole Dawnforge product, you are mistaken. There. Is that better?  I don't really know what a troll is in this context, but trolls and dwarves are related in Scandinavian myth.My commentary is not insulting in some objective manner, it's insulting to you (for some reason). I'm sorry for that. And to repeat, my comments are clearly labeled as why I feel I won't purchase this book based on two previews (a PDF and a Word doc on minotaurs).I will, I assure you. But I'll do so without buying it first. Thank gods for B&N ordering policies, since it's apparent you won't risk sending me one. It's not possible for Wil to be unbiased. He's one of the authors of the work.Hey, maybe it takes one to know one. Anyway, I didn't aim anything in my posts as a personal attack (whether or not they were taken as such), and certainly none of my negative comments were aimed at you. I'll thank you for ceasing to aim off-topic comments at me.Thanks again all.</blockquote>

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