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<blockquote data-quote="Grompi" data-source="post: 1251964" data-attributes="member: 15403"><p>Obligatory pointless <em>ad hominem</em> retaliation to equally (if not more) pointless slander: This from someone who rides a broomstick for fun? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes :rolleyes:" data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> Can ye add somethin' useful, besides "I like it. It's just like me own. My precious!"</p><p></p><p>I'm glad you, a member of the development team, have no problem with the racial transformation stuff. But really, what has that got to do with anything. It doesn't answer any of the questions posed here. No offense, but that last statement is just a lame cop out that one would have been better off not saying. It's the same thing as saying, "It's that way because we say so, and we don't need any reasons. You, the DM, can pull up any slack for suspension of disbelief in your group. That's not what this $40 description of a "complete" world is for."</p><p></p><p> Fine. Does Dawnforge say explicitly that's why minotaurs get Large with experience? Magic infuses their very being and their growth is a manifestation of a desire for and expression of physical might? If it doesn't say that in the book, then there is no explanation in the book. <em>That's the point.</em> Just about any DM can make one up, lame or not.</p><p></p><p> See previous statement – does the book <em>say</em> that the nature of the world is why minotaurs get Large, or is it a convenience of game design that has no explanation? Further, getting Large is not the same as getting more skilled or getting more magically potent, a point I've made more than once. Both examples you cite from myth support this (my) point of view, not yours. That is, it's easy to reason that a character gets more skilled or magically potent with experience. Achilles was a high-level fighter, blessed with many potent abilities and magic items and Beowulf was also a puissant warrior. It's not easy to reason that he grows 3 feet, and neither of your examples shows that it is. Stick that in my pipe? All seriousness aside <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />, you haven't said anything that hasn't already been said by others, and you haven't really addressed the question.</p><p></p><p>The size categories aren't arbitrary (random, illogical, subjective), they're a logical means of measurement. If they were actually arbitrary, their mechanical factors wouldn't be graduated or necessarily meaningful at all. What we really have, once again, is a problem with binary mechanics. You're either 7 ft. 11 in. and Medium or 8 ft. and Large, on or off, yes or no, some mechanical relevance or none.</p><p></p><p>It's much to late to defend anything, the book's printing. I'm just wondering whether or not the decision to make the size change the way it is was anything but arbitrary (other than being based on the fact that others have done it—poorly <em>[Savage Species]</em> or with world-relevant explanation <em>[Arcana Unearthed]</em>). If a designer (of any sort) can't say why something is the way it is, with coherent and educated reasoning, then something is wrong.</p><p></p><p>Client: Why is the website purple?</p><p>Designer: Heh. Because it looks cool.</p><p>Client: But it has nothing to do with our company or message.</p><p>Designer: Yeah, but it works. I mean, it's there ... on the web.</p><p>Client: You're fired.</p><p></p><p>You're right, arguing is fun.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Grompi, post: 1251964, member: 15403"] Obligatory pointless [I]ad hominem[/I] retaliation to equally (if not more) pointless slander: This from someone who rides a broomstick for fun? :rolleyes: Can ye add somethin' useful, besides "I like it. It's just like me own. My precious!" I'm glad you, a member of the development team, have no problem with the racial transformation stuff. But really, what has that got to do with anything. It doesn't answer any of the questions posed here. No offense, but that last statement is just a lame cop out that one would have been better off not saying. It's the same thing as saying, "It's that way because we say so, and we don't need any reasons. You, the DM, can pull up any slack for suspension of disbelief in your group. That's not what this $40 description of a "complete" world is for." Fine. Does Dawnforge say explicitly that's why minotaurs get Large with experience? Magic infuses their very being and their growth is a manifestation of a desire for and expression of physical might? If it doesn't say that in the book, then there is no explanation in the book. [I]That's the point.[/I] Just about any DM can make one up, lame or not. See previous statement – does the book [I]say[/I] that the nature of the world is why minotaurs get Large, or is it a convenience of game design that has no explanation? Further, getting Large is not the same as getting more skilled or getting more magically potent, a point I've made more than once. Both examples you cite from myth support this (my) point of view, not yours. That is, it's easy to reason that a character gets more skilled or magically potent with experience. Achilles was a high-level fighter, blessed with many potent abilities and magic items and Beowulf was also a puissant warrior. It's not easy to reason that he grows 3 feet, and neither of your examples shows that it is. Stick that in my pipe? All seriousness aside :p, you haven't said anything that hasn't already been said by others, and you haven't really addressed the question. The size categories aren't arbitrary (random, illogical, subjective), they're a logical means of measurement. If they were actually arbitrary, their mechanical factors wouldn't be graduated or necessarily meaningful at all. What we really have, once again, is a problem with binary mechanics. You're either 7 ft. 11 in. and Medium or 8 ft. and Large, on or off, yes or no, some mechanical relevance or none. It's much to late to defend anything, the book's printing. I'm just wondering whether or not the decision to make the size change the way it is was anything but arbitrary (other than being based on the fact that others have done it—poorly [I][Savage Species][/I] or with world-relevant explanation [I][Arcana Unearthed][/I]). If a designer (of any sort) can't say why something is the way it is, with coherent and educated reasoning, then something is wrong. Client: Why is the website purple? Designer: Heh. Because it looks cool. Client: But it has nothing to do with our company or message. Designer: Yeah, but it works. I mean, it's there ... on the web. Client: You're fired. You're right, arguing is fun. [/QUOTE]
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