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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1957930" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Thanks for all of the replies guys.</p><p></p><p>As I implied in my first post, I wasn't really looking for a "spirit of the game" type answer. I was looking for a literal rules answer and I do think it is there, just not obvious.</p><p></p><p>The basic question comes down to whether an AoO is an action or not and whether the condition of daze prevents even that.</p><p></p><p>1) "Action" in the core rules is a definitive game mechanic as per the definition on page 304. It is fairly well defined in multiple locations as what your character can do on his turn, not outside of his turn.</p><p></p><p>2) "An attack of opportunity is a free melee attack that does not use up any of your actions".</p><p></p><p>3) Although a melee attack is defined in the Standard Action section, it can be used during a Full Round attack action or it can be used during an AoO. So, it is not solely a standard action.</p><p></p><p>4) Page 141 "These attack forms substitute for a melee attack, not an action. As melee attacks, they can be used once in an attack or charge action, one or more times in a full attack action, or even as an attack of opportunity." There is a definitive difference called out between actions (which occurs on a characters turn) and melee attacks in several places.</p><p></p><p>5) "A dazed subject is not stunned, so attackers get no special advantage against it." This implies that an attacker could not get the special advantage of not being threatened by the dazed character.</p><p></p><p>All of these seem to indicate that it can be done, but they do not outright state it.</p><p></p><p>6) "You threaten all squares into which you can make a melee attack, even when it is not your action."</p><p></p><p>However, I think number 6 here is the one that indirectly prevents it as a rule.</p><p></p><p>You cannot make a melee attack on your action, hence, you do not threaten the squares around you on your action. If you do not threaten them during your turn, how can you threaten them when it is not your turn?</p><p></p><p>So, my conclusion is that an AoO is NOT an action.</p><p></p><p>However, you can only threaten squares around you if you can make a melee attack into them, especially on your action. Being dazed is no different than if you had a missile weapon out, or no weapon at all (without the unarmed attack ability) because you do not threaten.</p><p></p><p>You only threaten around you if you have a melee weapon and you are capable of performing a melee attack on your next action (i.e. some condition does not prevent it).</p><p></p><p>Hence, the Confusion spell would also prevent AoOs because you do not yet know if you can perform a melee attack on your next turn.</p><p></p><p>Thanks again guys for getting my juices flowing a little.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 1957930, member: 2011"] Thanks for all of the replies guys. As I implied in my first post, I wasn't really looking for a "spirit of the game" type answer. I was looking for a literal rules answer and I do think it is there, just not obvious. The basic question comes down to whether an AoO is an action or not and whether the condition of daze prevents even that. 1) "Action" in the core rules is a definitive game mechanic as per the definition on page 304. It is fairly well defined in multiple locations as what your character can do on his turn, not outside of his turn. 2) "An attack of opportunity is a free melee attack that does not use up any of your actions". 3) Although a melee attack is defined in the Standard Action section, it can be used during a Full Round attack action or it can be used during an AoO. So, it is not solely a standard action. 4) Page 141 "These attack forms substitute for a melee attack, not an action. As melee attacks, they can be used once in an attack or charge action, one or more times in a full attack action, or even as an attack of opportunity." There is a definitive difference called out between actions (which occurs on a characters turn) and melee attacks in several places. 5) "A dazed subject is not stunned, so attackers get no special advantage against it." This implies that an attacker could not get the special advantage of not being threatened by the dazed character. All of these seem to indicate that it can be done, but they do not outright state it. 6) "You threaten all squares into which you can make a melee attack, even when it is not your action." However, I think number 6 here is the one that indirectly prevents it as a rule. You cannot make a melee attack on your action, hence, you do not threaten the squares around you on your action. If you do not threaten them during your turn, how can you threaten them when it is not your turn? So, my conclusion is that an AoO is NOT an action. However, you can only threaten squares around you if you can make a melee attack into them, especially on your action. Being dazed is no different than if you had a missile weapon out, or no weapon at all (without the unarmed attack ability) because you do not threaten. You only threaten around you if you have a melee weapon and you are capable of performing a melee attack on your next action (i.e. some condition does not prevent it). Hence, the Confusion spell would also prevent AoOs because you do not yet know if you can perform a melee attack on your next turn. Thanks again guys for getting my juices flowing a little. [/QUOTE]
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