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<blockquote data-quote="Ares" data-source="post: 5395707" data-attributes="member: 36812">And that would miss, as Barry's attack abilities are really low.&nbsp; The only thing that is at his power level is his move object skill.I have.&nbsp; It was a tie in to 52, the premise of which was that all the big leaguers were gone for a year and the heavy lifting was left to the B listers.&nbsp; That's the whole point of Black Adam getting as far as he did.&nbsp; There were no real A-listers to stop him.&nbsp; In game terms, the book describes those kinds of B-listers as in the low teens.&nbsp; It's not a commentary on how super awesome Adam is, but how crazy unstoppable just a single person at the flying brick level is if there is no-one around (at that level) to stop them.Darkseid's ability to be fought is a pretty controversial subject among fans, as it contradicts Jack Kirby's original characterization of Darkseid.That being said, Darkseid is THE villain of the DCU.&nbsp; The villain-buck stops with him.&nbsp; The fact that it takes the DCU's #1 guy to fight him is not evidence for his wussiness, as you seem to imply here.&nbsp; Also, Batman had a god-killing equivalent of Kryptonite in his possession at the time.&nbsp; The way you tell it, it sounds like you think Batman out-kung fu-ed him or something.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Since you missed this, I'll repost:They aren't equal in terms of point expenditure, they are roughly equal in attack abilities, which is what PL is based off of.&nbsp; In the comics the two have never been peers of each other in any fashion, my point is that Darkseid should be higher, and that this is a position many comic fans would have.Yeah, I get that.&nbsp; See above.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ares, post: 5395707, member: 36812"] And that would miss, as Barry's attack abilities are really low. The only thing that is at his power level is his move object skill. I have. It was a tie in to 52, the premise of which was that all the big leaguers were gone for a year and the heavy lifting was left to the B listers. That's the whole point of Black Adam getting as far as he did. There were no real A-listers to stop him. In game terms, the book describes those kinds of B-listers as in the low teens. It's not a commentary on how super awesome Adam is, but how crazy unstoppable just a single person at the flying brick level is if there is no-one around (at that level) to stop them. Darkseid's ability to be fought is a pretty controversial subject among fans, as it contradicts Jack Kirby's original characterization of Darkseid. That being said, Darkseid is THE villain of the DCU. The villain-buck stops with him. The fact that it takes the DCU's #1 guy to fight him is not evidence for his wussiness, as you seem to imply here. Also, Batman had a god-killing equivalent of Kryptonite in his possession at the time. The way you tell it, it sounds like you think Batman out-kung fu-ed him or something.;) Since you missed this, I'll repost: They aren't equal in terms of point expenditure, they are roughly equal in attack abilities, which is what PL is based off of. In the comics the two have never been peers of each other in any fashion, my point is that Darkseid should be higher, and that this is a position many comic fans would have. Yeah, I get that. See above. [/QUOTE]

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