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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 1780794" data-attributes="member: 23094">Yeah, sorry, JRocket.  Thanks for pointing out the days / years thing.I'm having a really off day today.  I swear I'm not usually this bad!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Note that, above, I mentioned not being able to Take 10 on the check because of the risk of failure.  *smacks self*  This is obviously not the case.  You can just about always Take 10, and can in this case.  You couldn't, of course, Take *20*.  Sheesh!Anyway, it appears that for anyone wanting to craft anything useful in a useful amount of time, you need to be able to succeed relatively frequently at a check against (Normal DC + 10).I'd also consider a House Rule that lets you increase the DC by as much as you'd like, rather than only by +10.Then, at, say, 6th-level, a dedicated smith (9 ranks, +2 Int Bonus, +2 MW Tools, +5 Apron of the Smith, possibly a magecraft spell [Eberron]) could manufacture mithril full plate in just under 2 years.The world's finest smith (23 ranks, +8 Int bonus, +2 MW Tools, +10 Apron, magecraft, etc.) could manufacture a suit of mithril full plate in 9 months.Still seems like a long time, to me.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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