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<blockquote data-quote="Mesh Hong" data-source="post: 4888505" data-attributes="member: 73463"><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: white">Thanks <strong>Derulbaskul</strong> for the offer. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: white">I have created the base numbers I would expect for a monster, only adding the +3 bonus to its primary stat, I have kept all the other stats for the creature at base. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: white">(when designing a creature for real I would base the defences from the stats of the creature which would produce a variance of +/- 1, sometimes +/- 2 but I think it is best to ignore that in the first test)</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Level 1 Artillery</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> (primary stat Dex 16, others all 13)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">HP</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 25</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">AC</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 13</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Fortitude</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 13</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Reflex</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 14</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Will</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 13</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Level 15 Artillery</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> (primary stat Dex 23, other all 20)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">HP</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 116</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">AC</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 27</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Fortitude</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 27</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Reflex</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 28</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Will</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 27</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Level 1 Brute</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> (primary stat Str 16, others all 13)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">HP</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 33</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">AC</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 13</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Fortitude</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 14</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Reflex</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 13</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Will</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 13</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Level 15 Brute</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> (primary stat Str 23, other all 20)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">HP</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 180</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">AC</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 27</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Fortitude</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 28</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Reflex</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 27</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Will</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 27</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Level 1 Controller</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> (primary stat Chr 16, others all 13)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">HP</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 29</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">AC</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 15</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Fortitude</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 13</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Reflex</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 13</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Will</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 14</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Level 15 Controller</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> (primary stat Chr 23, other all 20)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">HP</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 148</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">AC</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 29</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Fortitude</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 27</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Reflex</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 27</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Will</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 28</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Level 1 Lurker</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> (primary stat Dex 16, others all 13)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">HP</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 25</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">AC</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 15</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Fortitude</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 13</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Reflex</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 14</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Will</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 13</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Level 15 Lurker</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> (primary stat Dex 23, other all 20)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">HP</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 116</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">AC</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 29</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Fortitude</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 27</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Reflex</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 28</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Will</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 27</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Level 1 Skirmisher</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> (primary stat Dex 16, others all 13)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">HP</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 29</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">AC</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 15</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Fortitude</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 13</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Reflex</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 14</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Will</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 13</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Level 15 Skirmisher</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> (primary stat Dex 23, other all 20)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">HP</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 148</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">AC</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 29</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Fortitude</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 27</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Reflex</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 28</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Will</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 27</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Level 1 Soldier</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> (primary stat Str 16, others all 13)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">HP</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 29</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">AC</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 17</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Fortitude</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 14</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Reflex</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 13</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Will</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 13</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Level 15 Soldier</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> (primary stat Str 23, other all 20)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">HP</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 148</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">AC</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 31</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Fortitude</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 28</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Reflex</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 27</span></span></p><p><span style="color: white"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Will</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: 27</span></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: white">Expectations</span></span></strong></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: white">I would expect the DDI monster creator would come out with exactly the same numbers as this is the very simplest form of monster creation.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: white">I suspect that an area where it differs could be how it handles altered stats specifically if it uses them to calculate the Defences.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mesh Hong, post: 4888505, member: 73463"] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=white]Thanks [B]Derulbaskul[/B] for the offer. [/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=white]I have created the base numbers I would expect for a monster, only adding the +3 bonus to its primary stat, I have kept all the other stats for the creature at base. [/COLOR][/FONT] [I][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=white](when designing a creature for real I would base the defences from the stats of the creature which would produce a variance of +/- 1, sometimes +/- 2 but I think it is best to ignore that in the first test)[/COLOR][/FONT][/I] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Level 1 Artillery[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana] (primary stat Dex 16, others all 13)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]HP[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 25[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]AC[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 13[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Fortitude[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 13[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Reflex[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 14[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Will[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 13[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Level 15 Artillery[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana] (primary stat Dex 23, other all 20)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]HP[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 116[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]AC[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 27[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Fortitude[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 27[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Reflex[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 28[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Will[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 27[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Level 1 Brute[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana] (primary stat Str 16, others all 13)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]HP[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 33[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]AC[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 13[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Fortitude[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 14[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Reflex[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 13[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Will[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 13[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Level 15 Brute[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana] (primary stat Str 23, other all 20)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]HP[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 180[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]AC[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 27[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Fortitude[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 28[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Reflex[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 27[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Will[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 27[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Level 1 Controller[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana] (primary stat Chr 16, others all 13)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]HP[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 29[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]AC[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 15[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Fortitude[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 13[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Reflex[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 13[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Will[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 14[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Level 15 Controller[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana] (primary stat Chr 23, other all 20)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]HP[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 148[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]AC[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 29[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Fortitude[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 27[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Reflex[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 27[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Will[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 28[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Level 1 Lurker[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana] (primary stat Dex 16, others all 13)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]HP[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 25[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]AC[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 15[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Fortitude[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 13[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Reflex[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 14[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Will[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 13[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Level 15 Lurker[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana] (primary stat Dex 23, other all 20)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]HP[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 116[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]AC[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 29[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Fortitude[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 27[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Reflex[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 28[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Will[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 27[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Level 1 Skirmisher[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana] (primary stat Dex 16, others all 13)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]HP[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 29[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]AC[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 15[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Fortitude[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 13[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Reflex[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 14[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Will[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 13[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Level 15 Skirmisher[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana] (primary stat Dex 23, other all 20)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]HP[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 148[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]AC[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 29[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Fortitude[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 27[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Reflex[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 28[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Will[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 27[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Level 1 Soldier[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana] (primary stat Str 16, others all 13)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]HP[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 29[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]AC[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 17[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Fortitude[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 14[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Reflex[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 13[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Will[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 13[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Level 15 Soldier[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana] (primary stat Str 23, other all 20)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]HP[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 148[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]AC[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 31[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Fortitude[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 28[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Reflex[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 27[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][B][FONT=Verdana]Will[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]: 27[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=white]Expectations[/COLOR][/FONT][/B] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=white]I would expect the DDI monster creator would come out with exactly the same numbers as this is the very simplest form of monster creation.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=white]I suspect that an area where it differs could be how it handles altered stats specifically if it uses them to calculate the Defences.[/COLOR][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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